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Draft questions cloud Giuliani’s chances
The Examiner ^ | Feb 28, 2007 9:04 PM | Bill Sammon

Posted on 03/01/2007 10:56:15 PM PST by George W. Bush

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To: captainswife

I am not necessarily disagreeing with your premise, but the times and circumstances were much different. I would never choose McCain over any other candidate just because he served in Nam. By your logic, you must have voted for Kerry.


21 posted on 03/02/2007 12:41:41 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: gpapa
"What does Rudy know about tactical and strategic military tactics?"

Virtually everyone knew enough about military tactics to know that the way Johnson and Nixon were running things from Washington was wrong.

23 posted on 03/02/2007 2:06:25 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: George W. Bush
Me and Rudy don't agree on much of anything.
However I would walk over miles of broken glass barefooted to vote for him if it comes to Rudy and the Hildabeast.

Mr. Hildabeast (the Masterbaiter) overcame true Draft Dodging, and enough idiots voted him in twice! ! !

24 posted on 03/02/2007 2:34:04 AM PST by DeaconRed (If it weren't for the United States Military-There would be NO United States of America.)
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To: w1andsodidwe
I agree with you on that. I sure as hell wouldn't have gone to Vietnam myself -- but I would have been upfront and honest about it, in a way that would make me a non-starter as a presidential candidate these days.

A country that doesn't have the b@lls to prosecute people like Jane Fonda and Bill Clinton has no business sending young men into combat halfway around the world.

25 posted on 03/02/2007 2:41:30 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: muir_redwoods

I can assure you that "military tactics" were the furthest thing from Rudy Giuliani's mind when he got that deferment.


26 posted on 03/02/2007 2:43:15 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: afnamvet

Not an issue. Cheney did about the same. Heck, a lot of navy joiners then, including a lot of people close to me, chose to be 'safe'.. But still serve.

I think Rudy might even be able to use this as an advantage and claim that Vietnam should never have been a draft. It clearly was started with WW2 thinking.

I wonder how this will play out.


27 posted on 03/02/2007 2:46:11 AM PST by Tolsti
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To: Lurker

McCain raising it is a cheap shot, like what really hurt the Kerry campaign with the lesbian comment.

I know some side liners that went Bush in 04 cause of how Cheney just said 'thank you' and how it was a low blow.

McCain's a war hero, he needs to use that as an asset, never as something to put another candidate down as. That should be below him.


28 posted on 03/02/2007 2:48:27 AM PST by Tolsti
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To: George W. Bush; Reagan Man; TommyDale; jla; Condor51; Fierce Allegiance; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; ...
“Rudy opposed the Vietnam war on tactical and strategic grounds.”

LOL. He really made that assinine statement? Or, rather, his handlers made the obedient lapdog say that.

As Borat indicated to Rolling Stone, "You can tell those dumb Christians anything, and they'll believe it."

Tactical and strategic in Rudyspeak means this lisping liberal twit's "military strategy" will employ the same "tactical expertise" he used to rid NYC of squeegee men.

Get off the public stage, Rudy, your time is up. Your attempts to feed your massive ego have become laughable.

29 posted on 03/02/2007 2:55:51 AM PST by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Liz
Tactical and strategic in Rudyspeak means this lisping liberal twit's "military strategy" will employ the same "tactical expertise" he used to rid NYC of squeegee men.

That'll leave a mark.

L

30 posted on 03/02/2007 3:00:04 AM PST by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: Candor7
A LOOK AT RUDY'S PAST IS A GLIMPSE INTO THE FUTURE.

...as far back as 1993, when he ran for mayor of New York City, Giuliani was dogged by accusations that he pulled strings to avoid the draft. In fact, Rudy wangled a rare occupational deferment from serving in the Vietnam war in 1969, when he was a law clerk.

However, scheming to get an occupational deferment is a far cry from present-day Rudy's assertions, that he opposed the Viet war on "tactical and strategic grounds."

Egocentric Rudy's "tactical and strategic grounds" blather is nothing but a naked attempt to pump his resume in the the absence of solid military credentials.

In a Kerryesque-like statement, Giuliani once said of the Vietnam war, "I disagreed with it."

Anyone who dismisses the significance of Vietnam as a potential issue in the 2008 campaign is forgetting how surprisingly potent it proved in 2004, when there was enormous interest in the military records of both President Bush and Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.

31 posted on 03/02/2007 3:26:49 AM PST by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Lurker

Hope so---that was the intent.


32 posted on 03/02/2007 3:28:20 AM PST by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: George W. Bush

Maybe he had "other priorities".


33 posted on 03/02/2007 3:29:36 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Jim Robinson

Its funny how the media gets interested in military service when it negatively affects a Republican ,where was the interest for Bill Clinton, and for that matter Hillary Or Barrack Obama


34 posted on 03/02/2007 3:41:50 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: George W. Bush
CBS News raised similar questions in a “60 Minutes” broadcast that backfired because the network used documents that could not be authenticated.

I do get tired of this spin.

How about "the network used documents that were shown to almost certainly be forgeries."

The spin this article uses makes it sound as if the documents might indeed be genuine. Few except Dan Rather try to make such arguments.

35 posted on 03/02/2007 4:08:09 AM PST by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Liz
Tactical and strategic in Rudyspeak means this lisping liberal twit's "military strategy" will employ the same "tactical expertise" he used to rid NYC of squeegee men.

Identifying a problem, then developing and implementing a method for solving it is the essence of tactics. Rudy demonstrated brilliantly as mayor his ability to do this, almost always against the desperate resistance of the elite of the city.

Many of the greatest military leaders of history have been amateurs. I suspect Rudy would be able to function quite effectively in a military leadership role.

36 posted on 03/02/2007 4:13:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: w1andsodidwe
Yes, I supported winning the war that we were fighting, but in that war (because of the college deferment) it truly was the smartest ones who avoided combat.

You could carry your argument a little further and say that the dumbest of the smart (the ones who went to college) were education majors and ended up teaching their liberal principals to our kids.

37 posted on 03/02/2007 6:39:24 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Liz

BTTT


39 posted on 03/02/2007 7:22:38 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Lurker

Which Democrat candidate do you expect to raise this issue?


40 posted on 03/02/2007 7:25:40 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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