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GOP Rivals Grasp at SC Straw Poll Glory - McCain 164 Rudy 162 Hunter 158 Brownback 85 Mitt 80
The State (South Carolina) ^ | 3/1/07 | Aaron Gould

Posted on 03/01/2007 4:22:47 PM PST by meg88

Presidential rivals grasp at straw-poll glory By AARON GOULD SHEININ asheinin@thestate.com

FILE PHOTOGRAPH/THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani More photos Anonymous critics aim at Romney Spartanburg — Agnes Spong thinks she’s landed in political heaven. The lifelong Republican from Upstate New York retired to Spartanburg two years ago and quickly discovered she was among friends.

“I think it was just about the greatest thing in the world,” Spong said Monday at Wade’s Restaurant prior to a campaign appearance by U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan.

Spong is not alone in thinking this Upstate bastion of Republicanism is the greatest thing since Barry Goldwater.

Brownback and about a half-dozen other GOP presidential hopefuls are spending thousands of dollars and making countless campaign phone calls and personal visits to the county in advance of tonight’s straw poll vote.

The Spartanburg County Republican Party’s 93 precincts will meet to elect officers and county executive committee members. Then, participants will “vote” for their choice for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination.

It’s a long way from primary day — but you wouldn’t know it.

“It’s been awful,” said Jimmy Moore, organizer at Westview A, one of the largest Republican precincts in the state.

“I have literally every single day gotten 10 calls from these people (candidates). It just gets annoying. If this is what’s happening a year out from the primary, what the heck is going to happen later?”

County party Chairman Rick Beltram said candidates are pouring money and energy into Spartanburg:

nþBrownback and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani have sent thousands of direct-mail pieces to Republican voters.

nþFormer Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is running TV ads and has done direct mail.

nþThose three, along with U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., have visited the county in recent weeks.

CNN reported on the straw poll Wednesday. Beltram said Fox News’ “Hannity & Colmes” will broadcast straw-poll results live from county party headquarters tonight.

As Beltram explained the attention, his other phone line rang; it was The New York Times.

“The whole week, it’s been constant like this,” he said.

Why?

The answer depends on the campaign. For McCain, the S.C. front-runner, a good showing confirms his status. For Brownback, who’s on a different tier than McCain and Giuliani, it’s an opportunity to break through.

Moore agrees but says there is another reason: money. The winner gets to tell donors, “See, those Spartanburg County Republicans down in South Carolina love me, and that’s why you should give me money,” he said.

It also illustrates a candidate’s ability to win in a key county in a key state. George W. Bush won 58 percent of the vote in Spartanburg County in 2000. McCain had 36 percent. Bush won the state overall with 53 percent.

The GOP grip on the county is fierce. Gov. Mark Sanford took 61 percent of the county’s vote last year, up from 59 percent in 2002.

Even when Democrats win statewide, they typically lose Spartanburg. Democrat Jim Hodges defeated Republican incumbent Gov. David Beasley in 1998 but lost Spartanburg 48-52 percent. However, keeping the race close in Spartanburg also may be a key to Democratic success.

Jim Rex came as close as any Democrat, but still lost when he defeated Republican Karen Floyd for state education superintendent last year. Rex lost the county, where Floyd lives, by only about 200 votes.

The Spartanburg County Republican Party has been holding straw polls since 2001, Beltram said. The first one in late 2001 was for the 2002 gubernatorial primary. Then-Lt. Gov. Bob Peeler won — but not by much.

“Even though he won, people went back and said, ‘Wow, he’s vulnerable,’” Beltram said. Sure enough, Peeler was the top vote-getter in the primary but lost the runoff to Sanford.

In late 2003, the straw poll for the U.S. Senate primary gave Greenville’s Jim DeMint a boost. DeMint won the straw poll, finished second in the primary then swamped Beasley in the runoff.

All the attention is exhausting but encouraging, Beltram said.

“When I was elected chairman in 1999, I told delegates my No. 1 goal was to make the relevance of (the) Spartanburg County party as high as I can take it. That’s what we’ve done.”

Reach Gould Sheinin at (803) 771-8658.

WHY SPARTANBURG?

Tonight’s straw poll: The event has grabbed national media attention.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: duncanhunter; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; mccain; poll; romney; rudy; rudy2008; spartanburg
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To: Jim Robinson

I haven't seen you around here lately. I thought you got banned:')


221 posted on 03/01/2007 9:32:50 PM PST by CindyDawg (Duncan Hunter...shhhh you aren't supposed to know about him)
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To: My GOP

He sounds like a good mayor. Maybe someday he'll even be a decent New York Senator.

President? No Way.


222 posted on 03/01/2007 9:35:36 PM PST by proudpapa (Forget Rudy McRomney it's Duncan Hunter in '08!)
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To: CindyDawg

LOL. Could happen yet.


223 posted on 03/01/2007 9:36:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Jim Robinson; Sunsong; airborne
C. A pro abortionist, gay rights supporting, gun grabbing, illegal alien supporter is going to have a tough time winning the south in the general even if he does squeak by in the primary. This poll bares the truth.

I believe you have nailed it! :-)

224 posted on 03/01/2007 9:37:05 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

The only polls that count are at the ballot boxes and cash registers....all else is idle speculation, or not so idle....


225 posted on 03/01/2007 9:40:04 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: areafiftyone

I like your simple and respectful post, so I say ditto.


226 posted on 03/01/2007 9:42:24 PM PST by Gator113
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Which was the purpose of my post. :-)


227 posted on 03/01/2007 9:47:11 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: dirtboy; Sunsong; cgk
"The word here was that Rudy would NEVER make it in SC. He WON! That's the facts."

False. They're not facts. "Won" means that it's over, which it isn't.

There's 19% of the vote to count with a 2% gap for Hunter to close. Rudy is alone on the left with Hunter the only one likely to knock him off. That means those further to the right than Rudy desiring either to jump a sinking ship or knock off the liberal are more likely to vote Hunter.

I wouldn't be so confident if I were you.

228 posted on 03/01/2007 9:56:24 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Debtor's fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: dirtboy
Sorry for the confusion dirtboy; that last post was obviously directed to Sunsong.
229 posted on 03/01/2007 9:57:40 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Debtor's fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: dirtboy
YOU RUDY BOOSTERS STILL THINK YOU CAN WIN IT ALL WITHOUT US? OR EVEN WIN? WE ARE JUST GETTING STARTED

Um, I hate to burst your bubble, but Giuliani just won a straw poll in one of the most conservative states in the country. New York and California are already forfeited to him. All he has to do is stay competitive everywhere else to saunter into the nomination. I am very happy that McCain fell flat. I hope he gives up soon. He cannot win.

230 posted on 03/01/2007 10:01:45 PM PST by massadvj
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To: Carry_Okie

Alternate thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1793710/posts


231 posted on 03/01/2007 10:06:29 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: All

Rudy is on a roll. This is big news for him. He didn't even try very hard in this straw poll and he still won.

How about a Guiliani/Hunter ticket?


232 posted on 03/01/2007 10:06:53 PM PST by ClarenceThomasfan (In 2008 Republicans will unite around Guiliani, McCain or Romney and whoop Hillary in a Landslide!!)
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To: Carry_Okie
My thoughts exactly. By the time all the votes are counted, Hunter could be even closer - if not ahead of Rudy. At any rate - if you add all of the votes that were NOT for Rudy - there is a clear majority of Republicans that DON'T want Rudy.

Rudy is the real loser tonight. The story tomorrow is going to have to focus on Duncan Hunter - FOR A CHANGE!

Now they have to acknowledge that he exists!!

GO DUNCAN HUNTER!!!

WHOO-HOO!!!!!

233 posted on 03/01/2007 10:07:46 PM PST by alicewonders (I like Duncan Hunter for President in 2008!)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan

No deal.


234 posted on 03/01/2007 10:08:08 PM PST by CindyDawg (Duncan Hunter...shhhh you aren't supposed to know about him)
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To: Carry_Okie

I'm so impatient. I keep refreshing the State AP article, growling: UPDATE already!

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/16814143.htm


235 posted on 03/01/2007 10:11:50 PM PST by cgk
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To: My GOP; Jim Robinson; EternalVigilance; pissant

(Rudy) "...supports strict constructionist judges."



What track record of his supports that assertion?

After all, the Democrats SAY they support our troops--but not their MISSION.

Rudy says he supports strict constructionist judges. But support their MISSION? Not hardly. Furthermore, the mission of originalist judges is what's needed. We don't need anybody to CONSTRUCT anything.

The proper mission of SCOTUS judges is *not* to overturn Roe (although that would occur) or any other agenda. No, their mission is to set aside all Stare Decisis bilge that eclipses the not-living-but-viable Constitution and use original intent for all decisions.

Yes, eclipse as opposed to penumbra.

Rudy supports jurists in the mold of Scalia like the Democrats support our troops.

Code Pink gave money to terrorists and supports them. Democrats stand with Code Pink. No, I'm not saying Rudy stands for terrorism, we all know he did yeoman duty after 9/11.

But Rudy stands with NARAL, the lobby supporting womb-terrorism.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.


236 posted on 03/01/2007 10:13:29 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Or those who don't understand the difference between the legislative and judicial branches.

237 posted on 03/01/2007 10:18:08 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Dolphy

I concur. Too many non-originalist judges think they are lawmakers!


238 posted on 03/01/2007 10:19:35 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Txsleuth

Wooohoooo! This is awesome! Go HUNTER!!!


239 posted on 03/01/2007 10:24:14 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: cgk

Kudos to the Hunter crowd for the strong showing. Rudy won as I expected. McCain placed strongly, too. This should be a good, vigorous primary season.


240 posted on 03/01/2007 10:27:56 PM PST by Norman Bates
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