Posted on 03/01/2007 2:53:19 PM PST by Kevmo
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What Petronski (FRED!) said:
“I’ve never knowingly voted for a gun-grabbing pro-abortion liberal, and I’m not about to start now.
If the GOP nominates a gun-grabbing pro-abortion liberal like Rudy, they forfeit my vote, and the result will be their fault, not mine.”
Ditto! If the RNC nominates the G-man/woman, then it’s their choica and their defeat!
There’s a transcript on post #106
Please, stop defending Rudy’s comments - and I live in NYC so I know how difficult it is to be a Republican. However, Rudy always took the Liberal line and the Lib line no longer exists (thank goodness!)
it is not denial. Rudy is not hiding anything and says he accepts if those views do not allow u to vote for him. That is fair ... u don’t have to vote for anyone.
However moving to this planet ... and the reality of our electoral system .... judge today the reaction of Hillary and the others to RG’s speech last night. If they were not concerned about his electability ... as almost guaranteed will be the NY and LA Times ... then I suggest u r not reading the reality of the coming election
You all do know that when Rudy was (GOP) mayor of NYC, he endorsed the DEM candidate for governor (Cuomo), instead of the Republican, Pataki. Now while Pataki was a RINO in just about every social area, he was relatively conservative fiscally, and Rudy wanted a big spender in Albany.
That said, it was still pretty shocking when someone of Giuliani’s prominence endorsed the candidate of the opposing party. And pretty treacherous, in my mind.
instead, i'll go fishing that day. i will NOT be alone "on the creek bank".
the BOTTOM LINE is that "rudy, the RINO" can NOT win in dixie (neither can any other yankee, unless they have SPOTLESS conservative credentials), once the voters realize that he is as liberal as "the hillery-beast".
free dixie,sw
Since I’m not privy to what’s going on behind the scenes at Fred’s non-campaign offices..I am unable to counter some of your statements re: raising money, organization etc.
At the same time, I’m not sure I see how Rudy will be helped if/when Fred enters the race.
When you said pragmatic- I was thinking about that earlier this morning- that if Rudy were to start a 3rd party- he might call it The Pragmatic Party. Your tone is indeed based on the practical and pragmatic approach to politics in America. You quote percents and numbers as if they have replaced the candidate him/herself. It’s all in the numbers.
I will vote for the candidate of the GOP. I’ve seen quite a number of people I respect say if the nominee is Rudy- they’ll not vote for him. These are the people at the grassroots..the beloved/hated base. You’re looking ahead to the general before you get the nomination, which will be done at the base.
I think- you’re taking too much for granted.
Stay tuned...
“Sean Hannity is really trying to sell Rudy.”
I like Shawn but (and I do hope he is lurking) he can shove that liberal SOB where the sun don’t shine.
Yeah, I don’t get that one.
Paying off old debts or something.
The “base” are not bad or evil people. They r loyal Americans who disagree with me (and RG) on a couple of items they view as deal breakers. One has to respect their beliefs but they have no exclusive on believing they r right.
My wife and I are pro choice, believe in some reasonble form of gun control (we own three guns), strongly believe in Iraq war, very pro Bush, detest Clinton’s and highly suspicous of ability of government to do things better than private sector. We pay substantial tax’s (six figures) although we are both well into our 60’s and semi-retired. We also lived in NYC (which has larger budget than 75% of states) when RG was Mayor. We, first hand, experienced the change in dynamics, tax’s, living conditions etc. Our most liberal friends (and that was most of our friends) hated to admit it but he was great.
He is not the best of all evils for me ... he is the best I know of.
As to Thompson not hurting RG ... you have to break down where RG is looking to get his votes from ... timing of the various primaries. RG has almost an automatic 30-35% in early primaries Iowa, SC, Fl and NH. Will make him #1 or #2 in all. He will have substantial bucks to go forward when others can’t. Following week he cleans up in big states. He has to do some really dumb things to lose.
The ones Thompson really hurts are Romney and the lesser candidates. They are toast. If it is McCain and RG, RG wins for multiple reasons ... including the die hard conservatives who hate McCain - irrationally.
Thompson is not suicidal ... he is not getting in. Too late and he can’t raise the money from those who deliver it. Sad but true.
Thompson is not suicidal ... he is not getting in. Too late and he can’t raise the money from those who deliver it. Sad but true.
Nevermind that, he said the words “I” and “Democrat” in the same sentence.
tell me how, from whom, through whom he raises the money if he can’t announce till June?
while everyone wishes a better system prevailed, the bell tolls today for organizing, staff, polling, media, etc etc etc.
he does not even have a formal exploratory committee today to use as a funnel for contributions and his carryover from Senate days is miniscule.
I think I’ve seen enough graphs on the rudy threads to conclude that he isn’t fiscally conservative, either.
Sorry, overall, Giuliani is too far left [not a fiscal conservative either]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821920/posts
Fiscal discipline post
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819419/posts?page=76#76
Sean Hannity is pathetic. He says he is a Catholic. He just thinks what the Pope says is silly!
For those who need more negatives on Rudy. Don’t look at source until u read. Then ask yourself why they r making such an issue about RG and his speech???
Rudy Too Arrogant for America
The Rudy Giuliani Americans Do Not Yet Know Ill-Prepared to Keep America
Safe
WASHINGTON, April 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — While campaigning in
New Hampshire last night, Rudy Giuliani resorted to hurling desperate
attacks about Democrats while trying to tout his national security
credentials. Despite the fact that he failed to prepare New York City for
the second attack on the World Trade Center and he has not acknowledged the
dire realities on the ground in Iraq, Giuliani yesterday said, “Democrats
want to put us back on defense.” [Politico, 4/25/07]
After the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 when Giuliani
became mayor, he was criticized for not fully implementing a single
recommendation made by the fire department official who identified crucial
emergency response failures. [South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 10/1/06] Giuliani
also was criticized for not putting in place “a clear chain of command for
police officers and firefighters” prior to 9/11. [Washington Post, 8/17/06]
When asked to assess President Bush’s escalation of the Iraq war
earlier yesterday, he said, “I don’t know the answer to that.” Giuliani,
who has yet to visit Iraq, continues to assert his blind support for the
president’s failed stay-the-course approach and has not acknowledged recent
events showing the escalation is not working. [AP, 4/24/07]
Rudy has previously displayed a lack of foreign policy expertise.
Earlier this month, he said he did not know whether Iran or North Korea was
further along with the development of nuclear weapons. [New York Times,
4/7/07] Last month Giuliani admitted that he failed to question Bernard
Kerik about his alleged ties to suspected mafia-related businesses before
recommending him to head the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. [AP,
3/30/07; New York Times, 3/30/07]
“Rudy’s arrogance has gotten the best of him. How can the man who
failed to prepare New York City for a second attack after the first one,
quit the 9/11 commission because he was too busy raking in money from
sketchy business deals, can’t assess if the surge is working or if Iran and
North Korea have nuclear weapons claim that he will keep America safe?”
said DNC Communications Director Karen Finney. “Not to mention that if Rudy
were president he’d have a man who is being investigated for mob ties in
charge of homeland security. If that’s the record he wants to present to
the American people then Democrats welcome the debate because so far Rudy’s
rhetoric sounds like more of the same failed policies, incompetence and
arrogance we’ve had to suffer for the past six years.”
GIULIANI FAILED TO PREPARE NEW YORK AFTER 1993 WORLD TRADE CENTER
ATTACK
* Giuliani Decided to Put Emergency Command Center in Vulnerable World
Trade Center.
Giuliani, who became mayor after the 1993 World Trade Center attacks,
according to Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins’ “Grand Illusion: The Untold
Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11,” made “the infamous decision to place the
city’s emergency command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center
because he didn’t want to schlep to a more secure, better-protected
Brooklyn location from City Hall. When the planes hit the trade center,
OEM’s bunker-in-the- clouds was rendered useless, and Giuliani was forced
to embark on his dusty journey through lower Manhattan, scattering the
city’s command structure.” [South Florida Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale),
10/1/06]
* Giuliani Failed to Put In A Clear Chain of Command for Emergency
Workers.
“Giuliani and his top aides did not put in place a clear chain of
command for police officers and firefighters.” [Washington Post, 8/17/06]
* Giuliani Did Not Implement Fire Department Recommendations.
Giuliani, according to Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins’ “Grand Illusion:
The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11,” “failed to fully implement a
single recommendation made by the fire department official who identified
crucial emergency response failures after the 1993 World Trade Center
bombing. Nor did he seriously attempt to address the issue of
inter-operability between police and fire department radios until late in
his term.” [South Florida Sun- Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale), 10/1/06]
GIULIANI ON IRAQ: I DON’T KNOW OR CARE
* Giuliani Unable To Evaluate Bush “Surge” Plan.
Asked if the Bush plan was working in New Hampshire, Giuliani said “’I
don’t know the answer to that.” [Associated Press, 4/24/07]
* Giuliani Also Admits He Doesn’t Know If The Bush Plan Matches His Own
Ideas.
Giuliani “also said couldn’t assess whether the Bush administration was
focusing on the rebuilding aspect enough or at all. ‘That part of it is the
part that I would emphasize dramatically, and I can’t tell you how that’s
going,’ Giuliani said.” [Associated Press, 4/24/07]
* Yet Giuliani Backs The Bush Plan Anyway.
The Associated Press also noted that “Giuliani has backed the president
on the Iraq war and his decision to send more U.S. troops to Iraq.”
[Associated Press, 4/24/07]
* Giuliani Resigned From Iraq Study Group, Didn’t Show For Meetings.
Rudy Giuliani resigned from the Iraq Study Group in May of 2006, then
criticized its findings. When he quit, he said he didn’t have the time.
Moreover, according to Newsday, “It’s not clear that he attended a single
meeting. Two of the group’s top advisers said they didn’t even know he had
been a member.” [Washington Post, 6/1/06, 12/19/06; Newsday (New York),
11/17/06]
GIULIANI ON IRAN AND NORTH KOREA: I’M NOT SURE
* Giuliani Did Not Know If Iran or North Korea Were Further Along With
The
Development of Nuclear Weapons.
“At a house party in New Hampshire, Mr. Giuliani suggested that it was
unclear which was further along, Iran or North Korea, in the development of
a nuclear weapons program.” [New York Times, 4/7/07]
* Editor of Foreign Policy Magazine To Giuliani: Read The Newspaper.
An editor of Foreign Policy Magazine noted Giuliani’s “embarrassing
goof” where “Giuliani suggested that it was unclear which was farther
along, Iran or North Korea, in the development of a nuclear weapons
program.” Editor Blake Hounshell wrote, “For the record, North Korea tested
a nuclear device on October 9, 2006, while the Iranians have yet to do so.
The U.S. intelligence community believes Iran could have a nuclear weapon
as early as 2010, but most likely in the time frame of 2012-2015..
Alternatively, he could just read the newspaper every once in a while-lots
of important information in there.”[Foreign Policy Passport, 4/9/07,
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/4321]
GIULIANI WANTED ETHICALLY CHALLENGED KERIK TO HEAD DEPARTMENT OF
HOMELAND SECURITY
* Giuliani “Stuck By” “Radioactive” Kerik.
Even after Bernard Kerik’s bid - championed by Giuliani - to become
secretary of Homeland Security disintegrated with repeated revelations of
ethical problems, Giuliani, who has been close to Kerik for years “has
stuck by Mr. Kerik publicly” according to the New York Times. The
Associated Press reported that “Kerik’s close association with Giuliani
became radioactive when Kerik pleaded guilty [in June 2006] to accepting a
gift from a company seeking city work.” Giuliani and Kerik have a
fifteen-year-old relationship in which Giuliani promoted his bodyguard to
police commissioner, employed him at his consulting firm and named a jail
after him. [The Bismarck Tribune, 7/1/06; AP, 3/24/07; Herald News (Passaic
County, NJ), 2/15/07; Newsweek, 12/27/04; New York Times, 11/16/05,
9/28/06]
* Kerik’s Mob Ties Are Long An Issue.
Kerik’s ties to Lawrence Ray and New Jersey’s Interstate Industrial
Corporation are a long-running issue. The firm had hired Kerik’s best man,
Lawrence Ray, as well as his brother Donald, and Kerik admitted lobbying
for the company as it sought a city license, which had been refused because
of the firm’s ties to organized crime. Kerik pled guilty in 2006 to
allowing to the company to do $165,000 in free renovations on his Bronx
apartment in 1999 and 2000. The two brothers - Frank and Peter DiTommaso -
who run the company have been indicted in the Bronx for lying under oath
about their dealings with Kerik. Some aspects of Kerik’s ties have been
known since 2000. [New York Times, 3/30/07, 7/20/06; Washington Post,
4/8/07]
* Giuliani Admitted He Failed To Fully Investigate Kerik’s Background.
Giuliani was forced to admit that he made a mistake by recommending his
friend Bernard Kerik to head the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. [AP,
3/30/07] Before Giuliani’s admission last weekend, it was reported that he
was “warned about Kerik’s relationship with a company with suspected ties
to organized crime even before Giuliani appointed Kerik as New York City
police commissioner.”
SOURCE Democratic National Committee
For those who need more negatives on Rudy. Don’t look at source until u read. Then ask yourself why they r making such an issue about RG and his speech???
Rudy Too Arrogant for America
The Rudy Giuliani Americans Do Not Yet Know Ill-Prepared to Keep America
Safe
WASHINGTON, April 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — While campaigning in
New Hampshire last night, Rudy Giuliani resorted to hurling desperate
attacks about Democrats while trying to tout his national security
credentials. Despite the fact that he failed to prepare New York City for
the second attack on the World Trade Center and he has not acknowledged the
dire realities on the ground in Iraq, Giuliani yesterday said, “Democrats
want to put us back on defense.” [Politico, 4/25/07]
After the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 when Giuliani
became mayor, he was criticized for not fully implementing a single
recommendation made by the fire department official who identified crucial
emergency response failures. [South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 10/1/06] Giuliani
also was criticized for not putting in place “a clear chain of command for
police officers and firefighters” prior to 9/11. [Washington Post, 8/17/06]
When asked to assess President Bush’s escalation of the Iraq war
earlier yesterday, he said, “I don’t know the answer to that.” Giuliani,
who has yet to visit Iraq, continues to assert his blind support for the
president’s failed stay-the-course approach and has not acknowledged recent
events showing the escalation is not working. [AP, 4/24/07]
Rudy has previously displayed a lack of foreign policy expertise.
Earlier this month, he said he did not know whether Iran or North Korea was
further along with the development of nuclear weapons. [New York Times,
4/7/07] Last month Giuliani admitted that he failed to question Bernard
Kerik about his alleged ties to suspected mafia-related businesses before
recommending him to head the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. [AP,
3/30/07; New York Times, 3/30/07]
“Rudy’s arrogance has gotten the best of him. How can the man who
failed to prepare New York City for a second attack after the first one,
quit the 9/11 commission because he was too busy raking in money from
sketchy business deals, can’t assess if the surge is working or if Iran and
North Korea have nuclear weapons claim that he will keep America safe?”
said DNC Communications Director Karen Finney. “Not to mention that if Rudy
were president he’d have a man who is being investigated for mob ties in
charge of homeland security. If that’s the record he wants to present to
the American people then Democrats welcome the debate because so far Rudy’s
rhetoric sounds like more of the same failed policies, incompetence and
arrogance we’ve had to suffer for the past six years.”
GIULIANI FAILED TO PREPARE NEW YORK AFTER 1993 WORLD TRADE CENTER
ATTACK
* Giuliani Decided to Put Emergency Command Center in Vulnerable World
Trade Center.
Giuliani, who became mayor after the 1993 World Trade Center attacks,
according to Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins’ “Grand Illusion: The Untold
Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11,” made “the infamous decision to place the
city’s emergency command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center
because he didn’t want to schlep to a more secure, better-protected
Brooklyn location from City Hall. When the planes hit the trade center,
OEM’s bunker-in-the- clouds was rendered useless, and Giuliani was forced
to embark on his dusty journey through lower Manhattan, scattering the
city’s command structure.” [South Florida Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale),
10/1/06]
* Giuliani Failed to Put In A Clear Chain of Command for Emergency
Workers.
“Giuliani and his top aides did not put in place a clear chain of
command for police officers and firefighters.” [Washington Post, 8/17/06]
* Giuliani Did Not Implement Fire Department Recommendations.
Giuliani, according to Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins’ “Grand Illusion:
The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11,” “failed to fully implement a
single recommendation made by the fire department official who identified
crucial emergency response failures after the 1993 World Trade Center
bombing. Nor did he seriously attempt to address the issue of
inter-operability between police and fire department radios until late in
his term.” [South Florida Sun- Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale), 10/1/06]
GIULIANI ON IRAQ: I DON’T KNOW OR CARE
* Giuliani Unable To Evaluate Bush “Surge” Plan.
Asked if the Bush plan was working in New Hampshire, Giuliani said “’I
don’t know the answer to that.” [Associated Press, 4/24/07]
* Giuliani Also Admits He Doesn’t Know If The Bush Plan Matches His Own
Ideas.
Giuliani “also said couldn’t assess whether the Bush administration was
focusing on the rebuilding aspect enough or at all. ‘That part of it is the
part that I would emphasize dramatically, and I can’t tell you how that’s
going,’ Giuliani said.” [Associated Press, 4/24/07]
* Yet Giuliani Backs The Bush Plan Anyway.
The Associated Press also noted that “Giuliani has backed the president
on the Iraq war and his decision to send more U.S. troops to Iraq.”
[Associated Press, 4/24/07]
* Giuliani Resigned From Iraq Study Group, Didn’t Show For Meetings.
Rudy Giuliani resigned from the Iraq Study Group in May of 2006, then
criticized its findings. When he quit, he said he didn’t have the time.
Moreover, according to Newsday, “It’s not clear that he attended a single
meeting. Two of the group’s top advisers said they didn’t even know he had
been a member.” [Washington Post, 6/1/06, 12/19/06; Newsday (New York),
11/17/06]
GIULIANI ON IRAN AND NORTH KOREA: I’M NOT SURE
* Giuliani Did Not Know If Iran or North Korea Were Further Along With
The
Development of Nuclear Weapons.
“At a house party in New Hampshire, Mr. Giuliani suggested that it was
unclear which was further along, Iran or North Korea, in the development of
a nuclear weapons program.” [New York Times, 4/7/07]
* Editor of Foreign Policy Magazine To Giuliani: Read The Newspaper.
An editor of Foreign Policy Magazine noted Giuliani’s “embarrassing
goof” where “Giuliani suggested that it was unclear which was farther
along, Iran or North Korea, in the development of a nuclear weapons
program.” Editor Blake Hounshell wrote, “For the record, North Korea tested
a nuclear device on October 9, 2006, while the Iranians have yet to do so.
The U.S. intelligence community believes Iran could have a nuclear weapon
as early as 2010, but most likely in the time frame of 2012-2015..
Alternatively, he could just read the newspaper every once in a while-lots
of important information in there.”[Foreign Policy Passport, 4/9/07,
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/4321]
GIULIANI WANTED ETHICALLY CHALLENGED KERIK TO HEAD DEPARTMENT OF
HOMELAND SECURITY
* Giuliani “Stuck By” “Radioactive” Kerik.
Even after Bernard Kerik’s bid - championed by Giuliani - to become
secretary of Homeland Security disintegrated with repeated revelations of
ethical problems, Giuliani, who has been close to Kerik for years “has
stuck by Mr. Kerik publicly” according to the New York Times. The
Associated Press reported that “Kerik’s close association with Giuliani
became radioactive when Kerik pleaded guilty [in June 2006] to accepting a
gift from a company seeking city work.” Giuliani and Kerik have a
fifteen-year-old relationship in which Giuliani promoted his bodyguard to
police commissioner, employed him at his consulting firm and named a jail
after him. [The Bismarck Tribune, 7/1/06; AP, 3/24/07; Herald News (Passaic
County, NJ), 2/15/07; Newsweek, 12/27/04; New York Times, 11/16/05,
9/28/06]
* Kerik’s Mob Ties Are Long An Issue.
Kerik’s ties to Lawrence Ray and New Jersey’s Interstate Industrial
Corporation are a long-running issue. The firm had hired Kerik’s best man,
Lawrence Ray, as well as his brother Donald, and Kerik admitted lobbying
for the company as it sought a city license, which had been refused because
of the firm’s ties to organized crime. Kerik pled guilty in 2006 to
allowing to the company to do $165,000 in free renovations on his Bronx
apartment in 1999 and 2000. The two brothers - Frank and Peter DiTommaso -
who run the company have been indicted in the Bronx for lying under oath
about their dealings with Kerik. Some aspects of Kerik’s ties have been
known since 2000. [New York Times, 3/30/07, 7/20/06; Washington Post,
4/8/07]
* Giuliani Admitted He Failed To Fully Investigate Kerik’s Background.
Giuliani was forced to admit that he made a mistake by recommending his
friend Bernard Kerik to head the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. [AP,
3/30/07] Before Giuliani’s admission last weekend, it was reported that he
was “warned about Kerik’s relationship with a company with suspected ties
to organized crime even before Giuliani appointed Kerik as New York City
police commissioner.”
SOURCE Democratic National Committee
I despise Rudy and I despise the RATs, neither one of them have the guts or the morals to be able to protect any thing.
The DNC as a source, is the pot calling the kettle black, they are as bad or worse than Rudy.
Give me a conservative man anyday, this problem will straighten itself out!
guess u r not voting for Rudy
I never tell my secrets.
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