Posted on 02/26/2007 7:38:11 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
This movie is moving around the country. They are sometimes having discussions after it. I think that anyone who thinks they know what happened at Waco has another thing coming.
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Appointment with The Apocalypse- the Waco Files
various FR links | 04-28-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
There were not 200 BD men. There may have been 200 AR-15s, although I doubt it. One (or more) of the BD's held a Federal Firearms License, and they constructed and sold the AR's, IOW, most of them were *inventory*.
The BATFers were in ill repute, as usual, and needed some "flash" for budget time. They got it.
The BDs did hand the BATFers a sound thrashing, but not without their own casualties. But that didn't take all that much. They were acting in the defense role, had a better tactical position, and benefited by the utter stupidity of the BATF's storming of the facility, attacking from concealment, but not cover, of canvas covered trailers, over open ground, with some of the defenders in elevated positions on the upper floor of the building. If the BD's had been a "unified cohesive military unit" not a single BATFer would have come out alive after the initial assault. In the event the BD's did allow the BATFers to retreat and gather up their causalities, when they probably could even at that point, killed virtually all of them.
Don't forget Douglas MacArthur, Eisenhower or Patton either. Lookup the Bonus Army 1930's. It's pretty damned shameful as well.
Two died ?
I don't think Koresh himself held a FFL, but one or more other Davidians may have. The BATF supposedly checked a few of the Davidians names for both machine gun licenses(tax stamps registrations) and FFLs, but not very many of them. Hard to see how they could have bought some of the stuff they bought from legitimate sources without one.
Of course the things that initially put the BATFers on to the BDs was a delivery of demilled grenade hulls, to be made into "complaint department, take a number" novelties for sale at gun shows and such. Anyone could order those, and have UPS deliver them, all completely legal, at least under federal and Texas law at the time.
An interesting journal article about the defective nature of the warrant is availble from the website of Dave Kopel. It appeared in the Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, and was coauthored by Paul Blackman. Kopel and Blackman are attorneys long active in the RKBA cause. The paper also reviews the Waco incident, dispelling some of the myths from both sides, including some inaccuracies from "Rules of Engagement".
If you have a particularly strong stomach, there's lots of documentation on the whole Waco affair, including pictures of melted children, available at the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
Publicity stunt mostly. Plus the general heavy handedness of the BATF. IOW, pretty much their normal SOP, only more so.
The reason the Davidians knew they were coming was that they had notified the local media and one of them got lost. The person they asked directions of was a Davidian, who promptly notified Koresh that the BATF was coming. The BATF under cover agent was at the "compound" when Koresh received this message, and reported back to his superiors that surprise was lost. The dumb SOBs went ahead with the assault, which depended on surprise for any chance of success, anyway. And had their a$$es handed to them by the Davidians.
They did, and dropped the investigation for lack of evidence. The FBI had also investigated reports of a woman being held against her will, also dropped.
If that "one issue" is adherence to Constitution of the United States, which many have pledged before God to support and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic, you better bet your booty we can and do.
Thanks for the heads up.I been to the online museum.
It was clearly a watershed for YHvH given rights.
My first source was Waco: A Massacre and Its Aftermath
Taxes are a matter for normal political debate. The Constitution gives Congress the power to tax. However, there's a whole potful of things those taxes are spent on over which Congress has not been given jurisdiction. Work on those, and the taxes will take care of themselves.
Would you be opposed to taxes being spent "To raise and support Armies" or "To provide and maintain a Navy"? Most conservatives would not, and those are authorized Congressional powers.
It impressed me at the time as a practice run.
That is why I think a Mrs. Clinton is the only way we are going to win this Islamic War. When she gets "betrayed" by the folks the thinks are allies in her war against America she will turn on them with all we have. A Republican will dither and poke around the edges and allow Jihad to build to something encompassing the entire moho world and when the real fight comes our survival will be seriously in doubt. Of course with Mrs. Bill fighting that war, the Constitution and America as we know it will not politically survive but the population will. No I will not vote for her but with the current crop of Republicans, I probably won't vote.
They were MURDERED for a Klinton publicity stunt? There's gotta be more than that. Koresh knew something, and the Beast/Whore didn't want anyone to ever know.
How was Koresh forming a cohesive "unit?" He was dealing guns and licensed to do so. The arms possessed by the people in his cult were not even uniform.
You didn't follow it as it was happening or in the after math, did you?
A lot of formal militias were pretty well tolerated for long after Ruby Ridge and Waco, especially in Georgia and Montana. Koresh did not form anything like a "militia." You have latched onto somebody's rule and simply use it to explain whatever happens along that might involve some of the same elements. Koresh dealt in guns (properly licensed dealer) thus he is an organized drilling militia. That is leftist reasoning. Someone is perceived to be "not one of us" anymore therefore he is guilty of whatever ignominy we can think of because words have no nonpolitical meanings.
Waco A New Revelation (In 14 parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmkQZP-Kyuc
It was obvious before and after that any or all of those people, starting wespecially with Koresh, could have be n approached and arrested peacefully and we all know that the fact of their breathing is proof that they have committed infractions of some law or regulation. Everyone is arrestable for something.
So the government decided that the government must shoot and incinerate them to keep them from being poisoned by their leaders???
All of us.
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