Posted on 02/26/2007 7:38:11 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
This movie is moving around the country. They are sometimes having discussions after it. I think that anyone who thinks they know what happened at Waco has another thing coming.
(Excerpt) Read more at waco93.com ...
Bullet holes coming down through the roof at a high angle, would be my guess.
There was a great deal of physical evidence in that building which would have shown the place to be a crime scene, and I fully believe, the Feds to be the perpetrators.
Randy Weaver, Gordon Kahl, and Koresh (and doubtless, others) could have all been arrested alone, in town or elsewhere, and without gunplay had the desire been there to do so. Instead, the agencies involved opted for grandstand raid and strongarm tactics designed to intimidate, which backfired.
Correction Lon Horiuchi was the sniper at Ruby Ridge Idaho that shot an UNARMED Vicki Weaver in the head while she was holding a baby in her arms in accordance with rules of engagment. those rules stated that any adult that was seen was to shot dead on site regardles of whether they were armed or not.
I still remamber the wind that day. It was brutal.
So explain to me again why we are allowing the Saudis to set up jihadi indotrination & combat arms training schools(mosques) in this country . Explain please why the Nation of Islam has the "Fruits of Islam " Security corp.
Well, that certainly backfired! Waco did more to cause the expansion of the militia movement than any other single incident in the last century.
BTW, the firearms do not have to be identical, only of the same caliber.
Why do you think the liberals are pushing gun bans, especially "assault weapon" bans.
The second amendment was never about hunting, but to safeguard the right of the people to own in sufficient numbers weapons for the purpose of securing their liberty from a government run amok with power. The idea was perfectly in concert with the thoughts of people who had just overthrown the British rule through the force of arms, starting with and often using their private arms in battle. Banning such arms is the opening gambit in a tyrant's game, and I trust no candidate who espouses such a prohibition.
That explains the destruction of evidence. What was the initial motivation for this assault?
He was also at WACO.
OSHA had a course on the chemicals involved and their combinations which could result from unintended combinations thereof, a definite possibility in a drug raid. Not one of the agents on the raid team had had either course.
Other excuses were fielded as well, but the DEA should have taken down a drug lab.
Texas CPS should have investigated allegations of abuse, physical o sexual which were bandied about.
The last agency which should have gone in was the BATF.
one more thing, the phones were tapped.(the 9-1-1 tape has the phone ringing on it like you hear when you make the call, not when you answer the phone. The agency knew the Davidian who worked for the USPS who had been asked for directions to Mt. Carmel by a media team coming to film the raid had warned Koresh of the impending raid, yet they ran the operation anyway.
It all reeks of a provoked, grandstanding incident which was later used to demonize Christians of any stripe as crackpots and dangerous domestic terrorists, the whole while decrying firearm ownership.
That is the very sort of tyranny the second amendment would have us be armed against.
Horiuchi wasn't BATF, he was HRT (FBI Hostage Rescue Team).
This was under the leadership of W's dad: BUSH SR
"Answer: Several former clintoon bodyguards were killed at that fiasco- by 'friendly fire' too"
Do you have a source handy where I can read about this?
....and an Anna Nicole Smith/Britany Spears/American Idol/Deal or No Deal contestant to obsess about.
Look up the word "Conservative" in the dictionary. You will NOT see the definition "gun owner".
There are a lot of other issues that people can be conservative about besides gun ownership.
Would you call a tax-loving gunowner a Conservative?
I wouldn't.
Eventually, it was claimed they were serving a search warrant, which was testified to in the hearings before Congress to have been for grenade casings which had been observed by a delivery driver in a ruptured package.
Those casings which would likely have been used to make inert novelty 'grenades' (complaint dept, take a number) by the gun show cottage industry contingent there were not in and of themselves a prohibited item.
The same week as the raid, the "Sinful Messiah" tabloid-style front page newspaper stories came out, alleging that Koresh wash having sex with children and spanking babies...
Allegations of a meth lab on the premises were made as well.
Neither of the second two were in the purview of the BATF, the former dubious, simply because you do not arrive with two cattle trailers full of agents and the media in tow to simply serve a search warrant.
As the ATF had been invited by Koresh to inspect the business, (which dealers must, by law allow) and declined earlier, it seems strange they did not just drive up in the ordinary fleet of suburbans and produce the warrant and do the search.
No one present at the door had a copy of the warrant, either, which seems strange if that is what they were there to do.
FYI, the Davidians had a few cottage industries to generate income, one was the FFL dealership which did the gun-show circuit, another was a christian rock band, and yet another (off premises) restored cars and did automotive bodywork. The firearms related business was only one of those businesses.
And you are apparently another one of those 1/3 who doesn't think we should conserve our original Constitution and prefers instead a "living" one.
And if you get THAT idea from my posts, then you are apparently illiterate or a fool.
I have never said anything to imply that our Constitution should ever be changed.
I just have a problem with "one-issue" "litmus-test" so-called conservatives.
The term "conservative" covers a lot of areas. You can't pick out your own personal sacred cow and base everything on that one issue.
Or maybe you can.
I saw this movie several years ago....it was not Chuckie Shumer's (and other politicos) best moment.
"arms training schools(mosques) in this country . Explain please why the Nation of Islam has the "Fruits of Islam " Security corp."
another 9/11 and there will be no Mosques. Islam can clean their own mess of someone will do it for them.
Keep in mind that that right was written down there by folks who had just overthrown the British tyrany, and the security of a free state was to be guaranteed by the citizens being armed in sufficient numbers to resist tyranny from any source, including their own government.
I have a hard time considering those who would toss out parts of the Constitution 'conservative', whether or not they wish to exercise the rights enumerated therein.
links please ... a comment that bombastic requires substantiation with it.
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