Posted on 02/25/2007 5:13:11 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27077
If you two are up to some heavy reading..this is a forum about Iran..and what is going on there, (that we speculate)...and what we should do about it.
Thanks. They have around 1300 signers to their petition out of a potential universe of active duty, guard and reserves that numbers about 2.4 million. But, CBS is willing to propagandize for their miniscule effort to further weaken our resolve. The usual collection of lefties is behind this effort, of course.
I heard Amir Taheri talking about the leadership in Iran...and he said that there is no way we can "deal" with them...he actually said "it is not in their DNA to be reasoned with".
LOL...I gave up a long time ago...
I was swimming in too deep of water trying to keep up with that conversation.
I am just glad I am not a judge for the thread!!!
I'm sure that the traffic in that area must be harrowing for submarines. A submarine came way to close to my boat in the Strait of Juan de Fuca one day. For a while, I thought that a buoy was following us somehow, until I realized that a sub was just beneath the surface. It surfaced as it came on to our beam. I cannot remember how long my heart rate took to get back to normal. We were not near their port or in any restricted waters!
I seriously doubt that the carrier groups hang around the horn at Hormuz. We have really generous support facilities some of the Gulf states. Abu Dhabi, IIRC, can even accomodate docking a carrier.
Fearmongering only works for so long. The status quo is not an option for SS, Medicare, or Medicaid. The politicians must act, the only question is what will they do, kick the can a little further down the road like they did in 1983 and make the solution even more difficult or really resolve the problem? We are heading for a huge train wreck.
This Country is so gummit owned that new ideas have no chance whatsoever. Just like the Sunday shows being run by big gummit DNC spokesmen, how does a Republican idea even have a hummingbirds chance in a hurricane of surviving?
The Reps must tell the people the truth even if they must admit that they are also responsible for the current sad state of our entitlememt programs. We have reached a point where these issues transcend partisan politics. The future of the nation is at stake.
Thanks...I guess I could catagorize them with the jon carry.
I guess one reason it made me so mad...is that this is being encouraged by jon carry..and by Congress, the way they have propagandized this whole war.
One of the guys they interviewed said that they weren't being financed by any "group"...but I know better than that.
All lefties parse their words, and it sounds like those guys you saw were no different.
They really did sound like they were repeating "talking points" more than anything.
Luckily, it was very uninspiring...so I don't think they will be adding any more troops to their little group.
I just got in : ( What was it?
There was a link to this data in a thread posted last Wednesday. It came from the Defense Department, and listed all total fatalities since 1980. I have the data at work and will send it tomorrow, if no one else finds it first.
I'm not so concerned about when they "hang around" the straights but with the fact that they have to transit the Straights on entering and leaving the Gulf. Those transits are very predictable and obvious Also the super tankers that are perceived as our Achilles heel in this area must make that same transit, so it is a rather obvious target for our enemies.
What concerns me is what is possible, from their point of view. Not likely. Not logical (from our viewpoint). But only what is possible.
Here is the Senate vote on 2611 As Amended; Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 It passed the Senate 62-36 with two Dems not voting. The Reps voted 32-23 against it. The four Dems who voted against it included three who were up for reelection.
What vote are you alluding to?
But that right, God forbid the Alway Angry about Everything crowd actually put anything issue into context or actually think about the totality of the issue or what discuss what is actually going on in DC. Frankly this odd habit of the Purists, such as Luntz, of NEVER ever being able to actually find ANYTHING to attack the Democrats on EVER makes us wonder which side they REALLY are on. They seem to spend all their time doing the Democrats PR dirty work for them. Rather strange behavior from people claiming to be "Real Conservatives". Their fire is NEVER directed at anyone but their own political allies. Frankly with friends like this, who needs enemies. To their doctrine of total Dogmatic Political Purity linked to their pathetic need to constantly sniping their own political allies in the back rather then EVER attack the Democrats on ANY issue is WAY more important t then actually MOVING what they claim to be their political agenda forward. Frankly Reagan, a supremely pragmatic politician would spit on all of these dogmatic purists.
Luntz is a Rep pollster. I guess you can't stand the truth. It doesn't fit your personal template as to what is wrong with the Rep party and why it lost both houses of Congress and six governorships in 2006. Luntz is providing constructive advice to the Reps. It is not his job to attack the Democrats. Essentially, he is saying we need to give the people a positive reason to vote for us and not reasons to vote against the Dems. The Dems changed their strategy this last time around including what they would do during the first 100 hours.
Utterly pathetic that this same collection of Dogmatic Purists constantly squeal about their "God" Reagan. The SAME Ronald Reagan who signed a REAL Illegals Amnesty. Doubled the Size of the Fed Govt in 8 years, Signed 2 Tax Hikes, Spent Record Fed Deficits, negotiated with the Mullahs of Iran, appointed a Liberal to the SC and ran away from the Muslim Terrorist threat./i>
Creating another phony strawman to justify your disjointed ramblings. Reagan had to plow the fields with the oxen God gave him. When he took office in 1981, the Dems controlled the House 242-192 and they retained control during his entire 8 years including reaching a high of 269-166 in the 98th Congress [1983-85]. Reagan's election helped the Reps regain control of the Senate in 1981, which they held until 1987 by margins of 6 to 8. Hence Reagan had to compromise to get anything done. He also knew how to use the bully pulpit. He made a mistake in signing Simpson-Mazzoli in 1986, which is why Ed Meese is dead set against the current Senate bill, i.e., he doesn't want to see us doing the same thing again and that is AMNESTY no matter how the politicians try to spin it with their back of the line path to citizenship.
Basically what Lutz et al want to do is IGNORE the best sustained economic performance ever, the successful war, ignore all the Conservative Judges and the thousands of other accomplishments and instead mindlessly fixate on the 30% of their personal political agenda that did NOT make it thru the DC Legislative buzz saw on it's very 1ST time around.
Another phony strawman and distortion of what Luntz is saying. You miss the very purpose of why Luntz wrote the article. FYI: Correct or not, most Americans don't view the war in Iraq as being a success.
Rather the Conservative Establishment would simply rather whine and bitch and cry endlessly that the world is not perfect and they did not get out of politics everything exactly the way they wanted and NOTHING that they did not want the very 1st Time it came around. Well Guess What. People with that sort of attitude better resign themselves to dying unhappy then. NO body gets ONLY 100% of ONLY what THEY want the second they want it in politics. NOBODY.
Another phony strawman. Obviously, you are not a conservative and make this stuff up out of whole cloth.
So after about 70 years being out of power in one branch or the other the Conservatives were exactly 1 SC Justice away from FINALLY regaining control of all three branches of the US Govt and the childish wretches of the Worst Generation pissed it all away in a fit of petulant because their personal political whimsy was not being enacted as fast as they felt it should be.
You have some perverted idea as to why the Reps lost control of Congress in 2006, i.e., conservatives did not show up to vote. That is not the reason why most incumbent Reps lost. If it were that easy, we could win the seats back in 2008. That is not going to happen.
Frankly the modern "Conservative" Establishment has demonstrated itself utterly too juvenile and petulant to be a Majority Party. Ronald Reagan would have NOTHING but contempt for the scum in the current Conservative Establishment who scream the loudest about being his intellectual grandchildren.
Just reading the content of your rant above shows who is really "too juvenile and petulant." When you lose elections, you should stop pointing figures at people within your own party and rationalizing why you lost. You need to buckle up your chinstrap and get ready for the next game. If you don't like the team you are on, find another one.
Its alot easier for you to say it on a forum that agrees with you than a Sinate that has 47 Rats who can stop anything you propose. Do you really think they care about fixing SSI???
Pray for W and Our Troops
It was the 60 Minutes hit piece with still active duty military men and women who have signed that letter to Congress telling them to get us out of Iraq...
BLECH.
It is not a matter of caring. They have no choice. They have to do something. In 2008, the SS "surplus" starts declining and by 2017, we will be paying out more than we are taking in, which is what happened in 1983. At that time, both parties took the easy way out and signed P.L. 98-21, (H.R. 1900) , which raised the retirement age for full benefits to 67. It also increased SS taxes and reduced benefits. This "solution" was supposed to last for 70 years, but we will be back in the same situation [only much worse because of the baby boom generation retirements] in 2017, just 34 years later.
The only real way to solve the SS problem is to introduce personal accounts, which will reduce the USG's future liability for the program. Chile and the UK have already done this with their national pension schemes. The Dems want to kick the can further down the road by keeping this Ponzi scheme going using tax increases, raising the retirement age some more, changing the COLA formula, immediately raising the cap to $200,000, etc. This will not solve the problem, only delay the inevitable. The question is whether the Reps will again be a party to this scam or distance themselves from it.
LOL..at the same time that Fox News is having a special about what would happen in America if we let the Hollywood types run our country...
I turn over to the Academy Awards..and see a woman singing a song, with words popping up on a screen behind her about saving fuel....and clean air...and save the world...
THEN, out comes Algore and Leonardo DiCaprio onstage...to give a SPEECH about global warming.
It is just too perfect to have both scenes on at the same time!!!
You are so far my only contact to the Oscars :)
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