I also think that we must make all people earn our trust though. We shouldn't be going around blatantly trusting people.
BTW:
Posted on 02/21/2007 7:59:05 PM PST by do the dhue
CHICAGO - Two Chicago-area cousins were arrested Wednesday on federal charges out of Cleveland accusing them of conspiring to wage holy war against Americans overseas, including U.S. military forces in Iraq.
Zubair A. Ahmed, 27, of suburban North Chicago, and Khaleel Ahmed, 26, of Chicago, were accused along with three other men from the Toledo, Ohio, area who already had been under indictment on charges of plotting acts of terrorism against Americans overseas.
The fresh indictment returned by a grand jury in Cleveland added the two Chicago-area men to the roster of defendants and brought additional charges against the three men from Ohio.
The cousins, both American citizens, appeared briefly in Chicago before U.S. Magistrate Judge Geraldine Soat Brown, who ordered them sent to Ohio for arraignment. Prosecutors asked her to order them held in custody and sent to Ohio as federal prisoners. Defense attorneys asked for bond.
A hearing on whether to permit bond was set for 2:30 p.m. Monday.
Defense attorneys Gerald Collins and Brian Sieve said they had just met the two defendants, knew little about them and had no comment on the case.
The indictment claims that, between June 2004 and February 2006, the cousins and the other three men - Mohammad Zaki Amawi, 27, and Marwan Othman El-Hindi, 42, both formerly of Toledo, Ohio, and Wassim I. Mazloum, 22, formerly of Sylvania, Ohio - conspired to "kill or maim persons in locations outside of the United States, to including U.S. armed forces personnel serving in Iraq."
The conspiracy allegedly included finding fresh recruits to commit terrorist acts and seeking out sites for training in firearms, hand-to-hand combat and the use of explosives. The men also allegedly agreed to raise funds for "jihad training" and download Internet information on improvised explosive devices (IEDs).
A shadowy figure was described in the indictment only as the trainer, a U.S. citizen with a military background. The indictment said the two cousins met with the trainer in July 2004 and discussed sniper tactics, counter-surveillance techniques and the use of heavy machine guns.
The three Ohio men, currently in federal custody, were charged in the original indictment with conspiring to provide material support to terrorists. Amawi was also charged with verbally threatening the president of the United States and unlawful distribution of a video concerning suicide bomber vests.
Wednesday's indictment charged Amawi with distributing information about explosive chemicals downloaded from the Internet and charged El-Hindi with distributing information about explosives and making false statements to officials.
The five men face a maximum penalty of life in prison if convicted of conspiring to kill Americans overseas, according to federal prosecutors.
Meanwhile, prosecutors in Cleveland said a separate indictment was returned charging Bilal Mazloum, 22, of Sylvania, Ohio, brother of Wassim I. Mazloum, with making a false statement to federal agents.
In addition, El-Hindi and Ashraf Zaim, 39, of Ottawa Hills, Ohio, are charged in a separate, seven-count indictment with conspiring to commit theft of public funds, making false statements and wire fraud in connection with a $40,000 federal grant they obtained to operate clinics for low-income taxpayers.
The government contends that no clinics were ever operated.
Muslims pray to the Islamic empire 5 times a day. Mecca is the national (nation of Islam, not NOI) identity.
Saudi Arabia a supremacist's dream nation. Jews cannot enter the country. Non-muslims are prohibited from practicing their faith. Non-muslims are treated differently under the law. Non-muslims are prohibited from entering the city of Mecca.
The moderates never speak out against these injustices.
I'm pretty sure I've ridden in a cab one of these guys was driving.
(only half kidding...)
And that was from 2002-2003...right now it'd probably be all red.
"Bears fans, no doubt..."
LOL...hey, now...don't get us in this. We just love our Polish sausage and beer...and our Bears. : )
"I bet you they are from Bridgeview."
Why, what's in Bridgeview? Is there a big mosque I haven't seen or just a bunch of militant Muslims? One fairly large mosque in the Chi-town suburbs is in Lemont...just exit 55 and go south down Lemont Rd...you can't miss it. Every time I pass it a get a chill down my spine, wondering if the next psycho lies behind those doors.
"But I must say that we won because of our heart."
...and Rex Grossman.
"I also think that we must make all people earn our trust though."
I agree, but it's a little more difficult that that. Serbs thought they earned our trust, right up until we bombed the hell out of them for defending their land.
Many are associated with blue universities and blue urban areas, withour regard to the overall political leanings of a state. Universities offer a tremendous amount of protection for even blatant fanatics to infiltrate even the reddest regions, just as riverboat gambling acted as a rat magnet to draw Dems into Republican areas.
Al fuqra's odd, though- they are former blue urban dwellers who move into enclaves in red areas so they can shoot guns without raising a brow and slaughter their own goats, etc.
Jihad in America ping
There are millions of muslims and tens of thousands of these Islamists in the US right now. The latter are busy brainwashing, recruiting, and preparing for mass murder.
ust doing the recruiting to wage holy war against Americans that Americans won't do
..more Cleveland stuff! The circle continues to get bigger, even with the indictments over the last several years and the deportation of Imam Damra back to the Palistinian Territories. How much damage was done by Damra's group over the last 10 years while he set up his mosque, schools, and illegal immigration....how imbedded are the cells throughout Ohio.
You all may think I am crazy, but this all links back to this one terrorist...Damra and his minions that have been arrested and indicted. The myth is that their arrests and deportations will clean up the mosque & schools, the truth is there are others prepared to take their place and continue the preparations for jihad. They've had years to prepare for this time, while we the American people slept at the helm.
Read my profile and have an awakening moment about little ole' Cleveland.
We were attacked just last week by a solo jihadi in a Utah shopping mall.
From the Midwest to the Mideast; the Islamic Web
http://www.cleveland.com/terrorism/wide/index.ssf?/terrorism/wide/elhindi0521.html
El-Hindi...first on the list?
If you follow the chart, El-Hindi is connected to bin laden by about 3 links....
Not just in your eyes...It is just the truth.
W
So are some of these guys doctors? What sort of "clinics" and for what segment of low income taxpayers? Muslims, perhaps?
For that matter how much in taxes do people in low incomes actually pay and does this clinic demand to see their tax statements in order to determine they qualify for services?
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