Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Perspectives : The way to electoral suicide — vote Giuliani
One News Now ^ | Feb 20, 2007 | Matt Friedeman

Posted on 02/21/2007 12:06:36 PM PST by Reagan Man

The Republicans, and even some socially conservative and evangelical leaders, are beginning to adjust to the possibility of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani as the GOP nominee for president.

But not all. The Southern Baptist’s Richard Land, for instance, predicts massive defections from Rudy in the event of a Rudy Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton race. Hugh Hewitt, evangelical talk-meister in the syndicated stream of radio shows doubts this ; "... If Rudy is persuasive on the judges he will nominate, he wouldn’t have a problem with the social conservatives in the general election." So tell us you’ll nominate the likes of Scalia, Roberts, and Alito to the Supreme Court, and we will line up behind you no matter your substantial views that run counter to the Judeo-Christian ethic, he and his handlers are undoubtedly thinking.

Well, I won’t.

And I bet I speak for hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions when I say that I cannot in good conscience vote for a man with significant moral problems in his personal life, a radically wrong view of abortion (against it personally, but for women making their own pro-abortion choice), and oh-so-very Times Square and Hollywood on the issues of homosexual rights and guns (for and against, respectively).

Can’t vote for him, even if his opponent is Hillary Rodham Clinton ? No, I cannot.

Aw, c’mon, Team Republican says, nobody who purports to be socially conservative, evangelical, or who voted twice for Ronald Reagan will be able to muster a vote for Hillary over Rudy.

Probably right. But voting for her isn’t the only option. When the electorate isn’t excited about the candidates, they are capable of staying home — particularly those who don’t much care to think political thoughts 24/7 and are not enthused about the choices. There are others of us who will either leave the presidential portion of the ballot unmarked or decide for the first time in our lives to vote, say, the Constitution Party.

Next argument — Then you’ll just be putting Hillary into office. Next rebuttal — No, rather, my precious vote won’t be responsible for putting into office a man who thinks we will vote for him because he is best suited and capably prepared to keep America safe but can’t guard his own soul from moral perdition.

But, in all of this, there is something else to think about. The President of the United States guides his own political party and its platform. And the party of President Rudy Giuliani will soon become the party of the same kind of governing mushiness that has absorbed the Democrats. Give the party to Rudy and the moral code and political sensibilities of Reagan are lost, perhaps for good.

Better to lose an election and reload ideologically than try to cheer on and take cues from a man with a worldview radically divergent from your own.

May the primaries be kind to the GOP ; and kindness means Giuliani loses.

[Matt Friedeman (mfriedeman@wbs.edu) is a professor at Wesley Biblical Seminary. Respond to this column at his blog : evangelismtoday.blogspot.com.]


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: rino; rinowatch; rmthread; rudy; rudyrino; whinos
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-114 next last
To: FreedomNeocon
"BUT you better not screw the rest of us, and elect a Hillary or Obama, ... GROW UP and stop being so SELFISH."

so if I don't vote for your R candidate or the D candidate
I am being selfish???

The freedom to vote is that fickle huh?

21 posted on 02/21/2007 12:28:24 PM PST by xhrist ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. " - C.S. Lewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: xhrist
There is a difference between choosing to not actively support a republican primary candidate, and actively seeking to tear down and 'rule out' voting for a republican primary candidate that might end up being our choice (and everyone conditioned to rather a democrat, like its an IMPROVEMENT or something)

Its just so selfish.. its all about 'them' and showing everyone else how 'pure conservative' they are and how they only will accept perfection.

I think some people got spoiled being in power and don't really understand how completely USELESS all of their concerns will be, if they 'expect' that every issue will just magically line up for them in some karmic alignment of Reganism.
22 posted on 02/21/2007 12:29:45 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: FreedomNeocon
GROW UP and stop being so SELFISH.

You want to win the election? Give us a conservative. Failing that, prepare to embrace defeat.

Fair warning, friend.
23 posted on 02/21/2007 12:30:20 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: FreedomNeocon

Politicians have to EARN my vote. They are not granted a right to it by the letter next to their name.


24 posted on 02/21/2007 12:30:24 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Reagan Man
Better to lose an election and reload ideologically than try to cheer on and take cues from a man with a worldview radically divergent from your own.

And for sure getting somebody like A. Fortas, T. Marshall, R. Ginsburg, and/or S. Breyer? Of course, a Republican president may appoint a 'wrong' person as well, but with a Democrat as a president and Democrat Congress, we'll get 100% liberal. If this happens for 8 yrs, God help us.

25 posted on 02/21/2007 12:30:33 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Reagan Man

Last time I checked, Reagan was still dead. Politics is the art of the possible.


26 posted on 02/21/2007 12:31:03 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Reagan Man

Thanks. I have more on the way, all for appropriate situations / threads.


27 posted on 02/21/2007 12:31:18 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: beltfed308
"YOU people have no clue what Rudy is all about. YOU refuse to accept his statements and actions on these issues. Grow up."
Why would I accept his statements on issues when his actions on the same issues prove he is simply lying to get my vote? Maybe when you grow up you will develop some principals...

28 posted on 02/21/2007 12:31:52 PM PST by Usually_Disappointed (Who opposes a liberal Republican? Nobody and the result is socialism!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Minn

You are right. It is moronic because we haven't had a Conservative Republican president like Ronald Reagan since Ronald Reagan.


29 posted on 02/21/2007 12:31:54 PM PST by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Usually_Disappointed

We're on the same side :>)


30 posted on 02/21/2007 12:33:11 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Reagan Man

Put me on your ping list please. Thanks!


31 posted on 02/21/2007 12:33:49 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: TSchmereL

Actually, NO, I won't vote for Rudy. Under any circumstances. If the Pubbies despise conservatives so much that they'll go for Rudy, then I can bloody well skip that line on the ballot. My Senators and Congresscritter are are okay (usually), and there are local races, but if the GOP wants to hand the banner to Rudy, then they can kiss my vote good-bye. Hillary! can have it. If you're gonna vote for evil, why settle for the lesser evil?


32 posted on 02/21/2007 12:34:20 PM PST by Little Ray
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: xhrist
No, you have every right to be selfish and myopic...

Just like I have the right to burn down my house if my wife burns dinner.

I mean... that will show her.

Does that mean its a good idea?

Actions have consequences and it seems to me you are more concerned with how you look, or how you are perceived, than about what actually happens.

You seem perfectly fine with a democrat getting elected, because you wanted to "make a point" and vote some 3rd party. Its fine in your mind because "you knew better" and it wasn't you that made the mistake, it was the rest of the republican party that didn't agree with you.


Again... purely selfish... you you you.

What about the rest of us?

What about the results of your 3rd party 'protest' vote?

What about the democrats in office, running all branches again?

What about the conservatives who are primarily worried about National Security and Foreign Policy, where Rudy is just as strong as Bush?

What about the rest of us?

... or is it all about you?
33 posted on 02/21/2007 12:34:37 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Little Ray
If you're gonna vote for evil, why settle for the lesser evil?

Good gawd!

34 posted on 02/21/2007 12:36:07 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: beltfed308

Rudy isn't fooling anyone. Rudy is a Liberal with a capital L.

That being said, I do not join those who say they would never vote for him. If it comes down to a choice between Rudy, the Liberal, and Hillary, the Communist, I will vote and even campaign for Rudy.

We don't have to change the definition of "Conservative." It is still important to defeat the Democrats.


35 posted on 02/21/2007 12:36:35 PM PST by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: beltfed308

Did I miss a sacrasm tag?


36 posted on 02/21/2007 12:37:34 PM PST by Usually_Disappointed (Who opposes a liberal Republican? Nobody and the result is socialism!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Reagan Man
There are others of us who will either leave the presidential portion of the ballot unmarked or decide for the first time in our lives to vote, say, the Constitution Party.

The author sounds like a spoiled child.

37 posted on 02/21/2007 12:39:21 PM PST by Rudder
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Minn

"You 'I'm not going to vote for anybody other than Ronald Reagan" types are morons.'"

Amen to that.


38 posted on 02/21/2007 12:40:18 PM PST by Lucas McCain (The gene pool could use a little chlorine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: paudio
If you look at Rudy`s track liberal record as Mayor of NYCity, instead of accepting his recent rhetoric at face value, you'll better understand his politics. Mayor Rudy appointed mostly liberal judges to the NYCity courts. Few Republicans and NO cosnervatives. Even other positions in the city government were awarded to liberals.

Using Rudy`s record as a guide, its a good bet as Prez he would nominate jurists in the mold of Lawrence Tribe, George Mitchell and Alan Dershowitz, then he would nominate originalists like Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist.

39 posted on 02/21/2007 12:40:26 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: flashbunny

LOL!


40 posted on 02/21/2007 12:42:04 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-114 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson