Posted on 02/21/2007 6:15:41 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Obviously, the biggest issue for the Democrats in 2008 will be the war. They're betting their entire stake on the hopes that America is fed up with the war dragging on so long, and they're convinced that their big wins in 2006 were due primarily to President Bush's determination to stay the course, versus their own antiwar stance. Hillary is furiously back pedaling trying to distance herself from her own pro war votes as her popularity erodes away and shifts to the up and coming antiwar superstar, Barack "Osama" Obama. And most of the lesser Democrat presidential wannabes are falling all over themselves trying to out coward the front runners. Whomever gets the Democrat nod will be running primarily on the "End the War Now, Bring the Troops Home" ticket.
And, naturally, the Republicans are going to run on the "Fight on to Victory and Secure the Nation" platform. All of the Republican front runners are convinced that they can win on this issue. But, they feel they must pickup some percentage of the Democrat vote and or of the liberal leaning swing vote. So, to varying degrees, the front runners are banking on certain liberal mainstay issues. They're saying they're okay with abortion rights, gay rights, gay unions, gays in the military, gun control, global warming, open borders, illegal alien rights, immigration reform (amnesty), big government entitlement programs or other liberal issues. They seem to be falling all over each other competing for their fair share of the mushy middle vote that may make their day.
So we have one side wrapping up the treasonous antiwar vote (probably around 40% of the total vote) while the other side clearly wraps up the patriotic peace through victory vote (another 40% of the vote). The Democrats will naturally pull in their liberal/socialist base (which is largely the antiwar vote) and the broken glass Republican base will be true to the GOP (their 40% of the vote), although the Christian Right and some of the normally true blue right wing conservatives are growing mighty tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps.
At any rate, what both sides seem to be ignoring in their fight for the mushy middle may be the 2nd most critical issue of all and an overlooked opportunity for the big win. And that is the fact that half or more of all Americans, regardless of party affiliation, are fed up with illegal aliens flooding into our country through our almost non existent border security. And this during time of war.
The borders must be secured. If the war goes on, an insecure border sets us up for terrorists smuggling in weapons that could kill tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of Americans. Dirty bombs, chemical or biological weapons, etc.
Even if the Democrats are successful with shutting down our Iraq war efforts, the terrorists are not going to stop. In fact, they'll be emboldened. And freed from fighting over there, they're bound to bring their efforts here. They're going to continue hating us and wanting to wipe us off the face of the planet regardless of what the Democrats may do.
We must defend the nation. We must defend our national security. We must seal the borders now. And we must get control over who and what is coming into our country.
Also, Americans are tired of paying the costs of the growing flood of illegals. The costs are measured in terms of lost American jobs, costs of educating their children, health care costs, housing, welfare, gang violence, crime, costs of capturing, prosecuting and incarcerating illegal alien criminals, overcrowding crumbling cities and towns degrading into slums and barrios, failure of the illegals to assimilate or even to learn our language. Press one for English.
If I'm not mistaken, most if not all of the front runners of both parties are either soft on illegal immigration or are outright in favor of wide open borders and awarding constitutional "rights" to illegals if not immediate full citizenship. This is a national disgrace. And if not stopped will lead to an erosion of our national sovereignty and or to disastrous terrorist attacks of historic proportions. Again, our nation and our borders must be secured!
I sincerely doubt that any Democrat candidate is going to run on a platform of securing the borders and I don't recall any of our front running Republicans declaring that they will seal the borders either, so now what?
Are there any Republican candidates out there who will step forward and not only pledge to win the war, but also to place the nation on a secure war footing? Secure the nation? Seal and secure the borders?
I believe that a qualified Republican candidate with a solid conservative track record, including a record of fighting for full national security has a shot of overtaking the current weak (conservatively speaking) front runners and winning the Republican nod. I also believe this candidate will win over the cowardly antiwar, pro illegal immigration, liberal Democrat whether it be Hillary, Osama Obama or whomever.
By the way, why are we so eager to give up on our traditional American conservative values and principles? I don't know about you, but I'm not about to give up fighting for God, country, family, life, liberty and our traditional American heritage. Those who wish to merge with the liberals on these critical American issues are in for a rude awakening.
For those of you who do not understand what traditional American conservatism means, I'll lay out what it means to me. Others may think differently, and this won't be all inclusive, but here are some major points that are important to me:
Traditional American conservatives are not going to deny our God. Are not going to give up our guns (without using them first). We're not going to surrender to the abortionists or to the gay rights agenda. We're not going to cave to global warming pseudo science. We're not going to surrender our national sovereignty to terrorists, illegals, the United Nations or to Democrats! We're not going to surrender to tax and spend liberal Democrats or to tax and spend moderate country club Republicans.
We will not surrender to the progressives, socialists or moderates who wish to shove their big government socialist wealth transfer and or perverted social programs down our throats.
We're going to continue defending the nation, defending our national sovereignty, defending our national security, defending our borders, defending our families, defending our constitution, our liberty and our American way of life.
We stand for and defend the constitutionally separated and limited government as envisioned and set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution by the Founding Fathers.
We're going to defend our rights. Our rights to free speech, free religion, freedom of assembly, due process, private property, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not negotiable.
We're going to fight against the activist court. We're going to fight for judges that interpret the constitution according to the straightforward words and definitions as used at the time of the writing and ratification of the document, ie, the original intent.
We are going to fight for stripping the government of its usurpations and expansions from the limited powers enumerated in the constitution.
We stand for and defend our traditional Judeo-Christian God centered American conservative society and family values system.
We believe we were all created equal by our Creator and are endowed with certain unalienable rights, including the rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness, and we intend to defend same.
We believe it is the primary responsibility of the just government empowered by our consent to defend these rights. And that whenever government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
That's an OBL canard and utterly false: The Great Illegal Immigration Myth of '06
Don't fall for the traitors spin.
Bookmarking this thread...
His name is Duncan Hunter. And he will rise to challenge the man who Sean Hannity has been fawning over.
This is a good point, but one other aspect of it should be highlighted.
The 2008 Republican candidates are going to be running as strongly against George W. Bush as they are running against their Democratic opponents. With the war in Iraq so unpopular among American voters, the 2008 presidential race is going to be contested between Democrats who run on an anti-war platform and Republicans who insist that the Bush administration has been incompetent in fighting the Iraq war.
McCain's recent diatribe against Donald Rumsfeld was the first clear indication of this, and I suspect this is precisely why Rudy Giuliani can barely even acknowledge that he's a Republican candidate.
It is never too late.
Four years ago, everone on this site was afraid to talk about illegal aliens for fear of losing the election. We won the election but lost at the same time. Yea, Karl Rove,you magnificent bastard as illegal immigration was not to be discussed. Bank of America loves you.
To go backwards to conservatism, all ideas must allowed on this forum, such as the NAU and SPP articles no matter the authur. They should not be put in chat as these are articles regarding sovereignty and conservatism.
Too far away from the primary to get a good read, but I am leaning toward Romney as the most conservative electable candidate. McCain is too old and too angry, Rudy is too liberal on many issues (although I like his stand on the WOT), the various Congressmen do not have enough support to be electable, and Newt has worse negatives than Hillary. That being said, I would support almost any Republican over almost any Democrat running.
Straight talk, no BS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28q0qxsrX6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow1L4MsmUGM
You keep ignoring the fact that you only want to include your rights and if you haven't noticed that the country is sick and tired of the religious right then you need to get out more.
We believe it is the primary responsibility of the just government empowered by our consent to defend these rights. And that whenever government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Now you are sounding exactly like you did in 1998 when your anti-government mood was prevalent and you first supported Buchanan and then Keyes. That was okay when you had Clinton to kick around because even some Democrats like me were disgusted with him.
If you want to help the conservative Republicans regain some measure of credibility then you need to let the Republican Party thrash it out and you can return to your roots.
People have been suggesting that the religious right is not a winning combination when they lack the moral highground and surely you need to realize you are whistling in the graveyard. The Gingrich revolution is over. The paint came off the wagon.
Can a Traditional American Conservative Win the Presidency and Secure the Nation and our Liberty?
Not a chance in hell if the candidates have to accept your definitions and are perceived as anti-everyone except you.
Defense of our liberties is not restricted to the radical right or the looney left.
That was my question.
There is, at least one, actual conservative that seems to be running for the Presidency. However, I'm not sure that he's electable at this point in time.
He doesn't have the name recognition, yet, needed.
If that is the case, then, according to your own words, "We're not going to surrender to tax and spend liberal Democrats or to tax and spend moderate country club Republicans."
Who then ARE we going to elect, or try to elect? Or DO we then vote our conscience instead of being a "broken glass Republican"?
I tell you, Jim, I've held my nose about as long as I can without coming up for a breath of air.
With the DemoncRATs in power in the Congress we need a President that will not be shy with the veto pen.
I don't know of any major party candidate that has that kind of brass that seems to be electable at this point.
I do not believe the majority of Americans want freedom or liberty as much as they want the Government to tell them how to live, and how much wealth to have. They want security, and cheap landscaping. They want chrome rims and masterplanned communities. They want to end World Hunger, and adherence to the Kyoto Protocols. They want socialism. They do not want to take business risks and they want stability above all else.
In other words they are shunning the American way of life, traditions, morals, and values for pleasure, hedonism, drugs; and no judgement or societal influence should be permitted to get in the way of their pursuit of evil and misery.
Personally I think it's too late to change this attitude. Save your money, payoff debt, and have a lawyer clean up your record. A Charlemagne on a white horse would be nice though.
Overall, your vanity lays it out nicely. I will NOT be voting for a RINO just to somehow demonstrate what a great team player I am. Speak to the issues of importance, or my vote stays home - period!
Who will help Duncan Hunter? Right now he is the best choice as a conservative. He needs the help of Conservative Freepers. I have signed up. I want to help him get in the face of these insane Liberal Republicans. Help him out !
Thoughtful post. You got brass.
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