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Happy Birthday, Abe: Gallup Finds Lincoln Now Tops Reagan as All-Time Best Prez (BJ 4th)
Editor & Publisher ^ | 02/19/07

Posted on 02/20/2007 1:00:17 PM PST by presidio9

Just in time for President's Day, a new Gallup poll finds Abraham Lincoln now topping Ronald Reagan as the public's idea of the greatest U.S. president ever.

John F. Kennedy edges Bill Clinton for the #3 spot, with Franklin D. Roosevelt coming in at number five. George Washington can do no better than sixth.

Gallup notes that respondents tend to favor presidents of later vintage.

Reagan had bested traditional leader Lincoln in the previous poll, in 2005, in the aftermath of the former's death.

Eighteen percent of Americans today name Lincoln as the greatest U.S. president. He is closely followed by Reagan, with 16%, and John F. Kennedy, with 14%. Bill Clinton (13%) and Franklin D. Roosevelt (9%) round out the top five.

After Washington at #6 comes Truman at #7 and then a tie for #8 with Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Jefferson, Carter -- and George W. Bush, all at 2%. Bush had stood at 5% two years ago.

The poll was taken February 9-11.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: greatamerican; greatman; hero; honestabe
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To: Born to Conserve
Lincoln was the devil incarnate.

Idiotic post of the day.

21 posted on 02/20/2007 1:13:48 PM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: Names Ash Housewares; wideawake
There are still a few "the south will rise again" types out there.

Note that if it weren't for Lincoln those people would most likely be typing in Spanish.

They still may someday, but that's for a different thread.

22 posted on 02/20/2007 1:16:18 PM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: Desperately Seeking Freedom
More than any President, he increased the power and scope and intrusiveness of the federal government.

In response to a real crisis: the breakup of the Union.

Today's WSJ has an excellent editorial on Jean-Louis Bruguiere today.

23 posted on 02/20/2007 1:16:39 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Desperately Seeking Freedom
There's a case to be made against Lincoln. More than any President, he increased the power and scope and intrusiveness of the federal government. FDR, LBJ, and W, of course, have increased it even more, though

Exactly right...those 4 are near the bottom of my list of great Presidents

My top 3:

(1) George Washington

(2) Calvin Coolidge

(3) Grover Cleveland

Washington was a special case...but, aside from him, give me a President that doesn't do much...doesn't spend too much taxpayer money, doesn't regulate too much and doesn't get too many of his fellow citizens killed...and I will take that everytime

24 posted on 02/20/2007 1:17:22 PM PST by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: Born to Conserve
Lincoln was the devil incarnate.

He's in the running for the worst president ever. Who else attacked his own countrymen to establish a powerful, centralized government? He's responsible for the deaths of 600,000 Americans. The emancipation proclamation didn't free any slaves; it exempted all Union states, and southern territories under Union control. He hated blacks, and was in favor of African colonization. People say he saved the Union; he ended it in the sense that the U.S. was no longer a voluntary union of states once he was through. Sic semper tyrannis.

25 posted on 02/20/2007 1:17:59 PM PST by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: presidio9

Washington's still my #1, with Lincoln coming in a close second.


26 posted on 02/20/2007 1:18:04 PM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
There are still a few "the south will rise again" types out there.

Of course.

What a nightmare the South would be today if they had actually gained independence.

And how much poorer the USA would be today without the South.

27 posted on 02/20/2007 1:19:31 PM PST by wideawake
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To: presidio9

Clinton? NO WAY-


28 posted on 02/20/2007 1:19:53 PM PST by unkus
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To: TUAN_JIM



The fact remains that before Lincoln there was slavery, the most shameful episode in our nation's history, ruining millions upon millions of lives. After him there was not. Therefore, your tired arguments don't stick.


29 posted on 02/20/2007 1:20:15 PM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: presidio9

Washington #6? Huh?

What about Jefferson? He only wrote the Declaration. Shameful.


30 posted on 02/20/2007 1:20:31 PM PST by katieanna
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To: wideawake
If you hate America, he certainly was.

What if you hate only the northern part of America?

31 posted on 02/20/2007 1:22:02 PM PST by lowbridge ("Of course Americans should vote Democrat" -Jihad Jaara, senior member, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade)
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To: katieanna


Thomas Jefferson is the father of American liberalism. Why do you think BJ's momma named him after him?


32 posted on 02/20/2007 1:22:24 PM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: presidio9

Obviously he is referring to the civil liberties abuses such as the suspension of habeas corpus, violations of the first amendment, war crimes committed by generals in the American Civil War, and the expansion of government power.


33 posted on 02/20/2007 1:22:30 PM PST by mutantcoil
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To: mutantcoil
Obviously he is referring to the civil liberties abuses such as the suspension of habeas corpus, violations of the first amendment, war crimes committed by generals in the American Civil War, and the expansion of government power.

Also, President Bush should be impeached for wiretapping, right?

34 posted on 02/20/2007 1:24:32 PM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: presidio9

No. Clinton was named after his father, W. Jefferson Blyth.

I don't know about Jefferson being a liberal. Anyway, he wrote the Declaration. That's not a liberal document.


35 posted on 02/20/2007 1:25:18 PM PST by katieanna
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To: presidio9

I'm fine with Abe beating Reagan. I think even the Gipper himself would be fine with Abe beating him. I'm shocked that Washington didn't go higher.


36 posted on 02/20/2007 1:25:27 PM PST by RichInOC ("Out! Out!"--St. Dogbert)
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To: presidio9

In strength of character and dedication to republican principles, George Washington absolutely towers over any of the others.


37 posted on 02/20/2007 1:27:01 PM PST by hellbender
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To: presidio9

This proves this country is lost.


38 posted on 02/20/2007 1:27:03 PM PST by unkus
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To: buffyt

WOW, that's something.


39 posted on 02/20/2007 1:27:58 PM PST by unkus
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To: TUAN_JIM
He's in the running for the worst president ever. Who else attacked his own countrymen to establish a powerful, centralized government? He's responsible for the deaths of 600,000 Americans.

The fact that he killed 600,000 Americans in order to consolidate the power of the Federal Government doesn't put him in the running for worst president, it makes him the worst president. It puts him in the running for most murderous dictator in the past two centuries.

40 posted on 02/20/2007 1:28:28 PM PST by Texas Federalist (Gingrich '08)
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