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Giuliani's problem with the religious [large graphics]

Posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson

I don't know about you, but I doubt the Christian conservatives throughout the red state farm belt and especially down in the South are going to cotton to a liberal New York Yankee coming down to try to clean up crime by taking their guns and bringing abortion and gay unions (gay marriage) into their families, schools and churches.



TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: demographics; elections; giuliani; rudy; rudy2008
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Even if Rudy beats the other GOP challengers fair and square

Clearly, it's only "fair and square" if they win.

141 posted on 02/18/2007 5:09:58 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: CindyDawg

I know. There's no "perfect" candidate, but there must be one with more than a one or two issue platform. We really must stand firm and demand it from a candidate. It is still early.


142 posted on 02/18/2007 5:10:09 PM PST by FReepapalooza
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To: Al Simmons
Do you want al Quaeda to again become a "police issue

Uh, buddy....the paragraph in italics is the words of the poster I responded to.

143 posted on 02/18/2007 5:10:16 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: M. Thatcher

You think you're being "nice?"

How Clintonesque.


144 posted on 02/18/2007 5:10:18 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Obadiah
Rudy presidency could easily set Republicans back 50 years or more.

Damn, you don't suppose he's the antichrist too?

145 posted on 02/18/2007 5:10:34 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Jim Robinson
Click Here

146 posted on 02/18/2007 5:10:47 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: freedomfiter2
Since abortion was taken out of the states hands, that's not good enough. We need a President who will be commited to returning these issues to the states.

That is what I was talking about. Nothing in the beliefs of a Rudy Giuliani prevents him from supporting returning the issue of abortion to the states.
147 posted on 02/18/2007 5:10:54 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: TAdams8591
Here are a list of past "perceived frontrunners" a year and a half out of the nomination:

1976 Democrat: Mo Udall and Scoop Jackson
1980 Republican: George H.W. Bush and Jack Anderson
1984 Democrat: Gary Hart
1988 Democrat: Gary Hart
1992 Democrat: Paul Tsongas

And guess what, NONE of these people came close to winning the nomination.

148 posted on 02/18/2007 5:11:21 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: processing please hold
I always wanted to vote for a cartoon character.

As long as it isn't Bugs Bunny. The rabbit is as queer as they come. I can't count the number of times I've seen him give Elmer Fudd a big wet one right on the mouth.

149 posted on 02/18/2007 5:11:35 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Jim Robinson

Interesting map.

I wonder how large non-denominational 'megachurches' fit into this map.

Either way, you made your point. Rudy is going to have a hard time.


150 posted on 02/18/2007 5:11:59 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: jla
For starters, here is the laster RET column on Rudy:

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_ret.asp#

I'll try to track down the quote above. I got it from another FR poster. You got me there. I'll get back to you when I find it.

151 posted on 02/18/2007 5:13:12 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Al Simmons

I didn't post a rumor. It is a fact.


152 posted on 02/18/2007 5:13:19 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Al Simmons
Your post #125 is worthy of the most devious boiler-room DU 'Rat operator. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Don't expect shame from this poster. She/he/it posted Rudy's father's record (he did time in Sing-Sing before Rudy was born) last night, with a wannabe-mobster-like threat that more was to come. I say, bring it on. Very lame stuff.

153 posted on 02/18/2007 5:13:38 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: wagglebee
You missed a few:

1996 Republican: Bob Dole
2000 Democrat: Al Gore
2000 Republican: George Bush Jr.

154 posted on 02/18/2007 5:13:41 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
That's just nice. Even if Rudy beats the other GOP challengers fair and square in the primaries, conservatives should still stay home, is what you're advocating.

Me and mine will stay home if he's nominated, that's a fact. I will not vote for an anti-gun, pro-gay union (marriage), pro-abortion candidate. You don't like that, then that's your problem, deal with it.

155 posted on 02/18/2007 5:13:47 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; EternalVigilance
I never really believed I'd see the day when we were having this kind of 2nd amendment discussion about a Republican candidate for the presidency. Have things deteriorated that far?
156 posted on 02/18/2007 5:14:14 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Rudy is a democrat in Republican drag.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Apologies!!! I didn't even look at your name otherwise I (obviously) would have 'gotten it'!!!!!!!!!!


157 posted on 02/18/2007 5:14:26 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: LdSentinal

And they won't vote for Hillary or Osama.


You got that right!


158 posted on 02/18/2007 5:14:31 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: oceanview

do folks here realize that if not for Antonin Scalia - Ronald Reagan would have given us 3 pro-Roe SCOTUS appointments.


So stop complaining when we want a real conservative for President.


159 posted on 02/18/2007 5:14:38 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: wagglebee

I think you summed it up nicely. There's nothing wrong with "looking" at possible candidates, but to carry on as if the elections were next week, it's way to early to get that passionate.


160 posted on 02/18/2007 5:14:53 PM PST by FReepapalooza
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