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‘These are the times that try men’s souls’
The Johnstown Tribune-Democrat ^ | 18 February 2007 | Pedro O. Vega

Posted on 02/18/2007 6:49:58 AM PST by Teófilo

By Pedro O. Vega

As published today in the Johnstown Tribune Democrat

The situation in which we find ourselves in Iraq because of the war on terror defies my attempts at originality to describe.

I find myself in need of laying hold of aphorisms and clichés said by the truly Great Ones, and some not-so-great.

The first one that comes to mind is from Thomas Paine, an American Founding Father, written in 1776. It’s one I used in a previous column, one I keep returning too because of its sheer wisdom: “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.”

A movement is afoot in Congress to remove funding from military stabilization operations in Iraq. The nonbinding resolution designed to disagree with the president’s military “surge” currently being debated in the House and Senate represents the first step in that direction.

The resolution is mute when it comes to offering an alternate plan ensuring victory and protecting our national interest in the region.

“Summer soldiers” and “sunshine patriots” are intent on prolonging the war on terror for two more generations by hastening a unilateral retreat from Baghdad without giving current operations a chance to work.

Emboldened politicians and pundits now behave as generals, claiming to be masters of the retrograde fighting maneuver and the pursuit of peace.

Another saying comes to mind, this one by that great Pennsylvanian, Benjamin Franklin: “There never was a good war, or a bad peace.”

Not knowing the original context of Franklin’s declaration, I am left to deal with its meaning at face value.

I agree with him that all wars are bad, but it goes without saying that some are worse than others. On occasion, there’s such a thing as a “bad peace” if this “peace” becomes a cover for defeat, humiliation and eventual surrender to the will of the enemy.

Franklin’s actions in the field of diplomacy belied his own assertion. Once converted to the patriot’s cause, Franklin ensured that the nascent United States had enough weapons to win the war. His diplomatic skills doubled the size of the country at the end of the revolution, at the expense of the British.

If aversion to war and love of peace ever moved Franklin to appease the British, he never showed it.

Thomas Friedman is credited for coining the “Pottery Barn rule” of foreign policy. That is: “You break it, you own it.”

This is what Colin Powell, retired Army general and then secretary of state, told President Bush before the start of the war in Iraq.

Events are about to disprove the logic of this common-sense assertion. We went into Iraq and broke the status quo there, and now our armchair generals want us to retreat without fulfilling our responsibilities, despite an already dreadful investment in American lives and treasure.

We want to walk away; we don’t want to own the situation. But the fact is that we do.

Neville Chamberlain returned from the Munich Conference in 1938, waving a piece of paper signed by Adolf Hitler and saying, “My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British prime minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.”

Winston Churchill wryly replied, “You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war.”

Many Chamberlains run around today in the guise of politicians and pundits, waving papers and declaring “peace for our time.”

Their views might even prevail and become both law and accepted wisdom. But by choosing peace over dishonor, they will ensure the coming of even more war.

Sadly, summer soldiers, sunshine patriots and enlightened pundits alone are not going to bear the bitter consequences of failure in Iraq. They will befall all of us, our children and our children’s children.

One more aphorism is in order. George Santayana once said: “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

As we get ready to abandon Iraq, we’re about to relearn this lesson in spades. Truly, these are the times that try men’s souls.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: Pennsylvania
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To: Teófilo
I can explain myself, defend my choices,

There is NO explanation for selling out the country and my troops.
There is NO defense of the indefensible.

41 posted on 02/18/2007 10:02:05 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: george76

Thanks for the ping George!

Tonight must be my lucky night. Have you seen this piece of garbage? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787162/posts

No more nice guy for me...I hate them all!


42 posted on 02/18/2007 10:05:14 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Teófilo
In Pennsylvania, Murtha may be popular and respectable since he's in DC and you're at home, a respectable distance away. Though I agreed with your thread, I find it impossible to agree with your vote for Murtha. Diana Irey's campaign was clearly in an opposite direction from Murtha's position and should have succeeded on merits of her support of the troops and their mission in Iraq and elsewhere. Just because you're content with a pork provider isn't sufficient reason to ignore Murtha's overall subversive performance in Congress regarding the troops and our present conflicts.

Rethink your vote.
43 posted on 02/18/2007 10:05:27 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: george76
and the media helps cover it up by not reporting it aggressively...if at all.

And they VOTE for him!

44 posted on 02/18/2007 10:06:39 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: george76
Seems to be the M.O. of the club; Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Kerry, Kennedy again and of course the party girl of record breaking favors, Hillary. Pardon me!
45 posted on 02/18/2007 10:14:40 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: potlatch

46 posted on 02/18/2007 10:18:28 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Just A Nobody; freema; Unrepentant VN Vet; Myrddin

Murtha's next step apparently is to try to deny training, equipment...to the soldiers, airmen, marines...in the field and to those who may be headed into harms way.

He will fail, but it is nice of him to try...

/s





47 posted on 02/18/2007 10:24:03 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: devolve; george76
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered

And our text books are already being altered! I always liked that whole quote by Thomas Paine.

Appropriate cartoon george, thank you.

48 posted on 02/18/2007 10:24:33 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Teófilo; george76; smoothsailing; Just A Nobody; freema
there's always the next election
Don't count on it! The commies have been in session less than 7 weeks and have already put us in grave danger.

I am not a Lemming
OK, how about a kool-aid drinking quisling?

sent me a personal letter, along with an information package detailing his positions.
Any cash in that info package?

I was not entitled to any explanations from Irey’s camp, I half-expected a similar note and explanations from her addressing my misgivings regarding her candidacy.
None came.

Geeez, if I had known all it would take is a "personal" note from Diana to get your vote I would have penned one for her to sign and send to you.

But it soon became obvious to me that the GOP gave her only token NO support. The party wrote her off... BECAUSE THE PA "PARTY" CHAIRMAN, ROBERT GLEASON, JR, IS IN BED WITH al murthawi!

In the end, Irey’s message sounded shallow and one-dimensional.
Oh, I see...you are deaf. I'm sorry.

She did take one-third of the ballots
Now I see why you chose to writing as your life's work.
Math is not your forte. 1/3 does not = 40%

49 posted on 02/18/2007 10:24:42 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody
Thanks..." this piece of garbage..."

at least Murtha is likely skimming lots of money for himself.


/s
50 posted on 02/18/2007 10:27:16 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Just A Nobody

What are you doing up at this hour, m'Lady?


51 posted on 02/18/2007 10:27:53 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Just A Nobody
And they VOTE for him!

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52 posted on 02/18/2007 10:29:54 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: MHGinTN
LOL! What? It's early! I can sleep when I'm dead! ;*)

Lot's of trash to take care of tonight.

53 posted on 02/18/2007 10:32:13 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: george76
/s

What's up with that? We both KNOW there is no need for that with the statement you made.

54 posted on 02/18/2007 10:34:10 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: BIGLOOK

Pelosi's husband ''just happens'' to own a big chunk of land which used to belong to the Federal Government (us taxpayers): Hunters Point Naval Shipyards.

Her protégé, Gavin Newsom, current Mayor of San Francisco, is trying to strike up a deal where the San Francisco 49ers will get that land and stay in the city, rather than moving to Santa Clara and building a new stadium down there.

But there seems to be some problem with the Naval shipyard being a Superfund cleanup site.

Stand by for developments as the blinkless wonder simultaneously cleans up corruption in Congress, and finds a way around this ''Inconvenient Truth.''


55 posted on 02/18/2007 10:34:28 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Just A Nobody

You're doing a good job with that one 'writer' ... sic 'um! I trust you'll be in the gathering of Eagles?


56 posted on 02/18/2007 10:34:47 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Just A Nobody
ok.../s...
57 posted on 02/18/2007 10:36:26 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Teófilo
A cliche festival passing itself off as thought.

The elephant in the room is that we face no military incapacity, nor any serious military capability on the part of our enemies.

We are in the process of consigning millions of innocent men who have staked everyone on us to oppression and death at the hands of the worst of mankind, because as a nation we are unwilling to watch on television for 7 minutes a night what they have to endure daily as the entire content of their lives.

Which is morally obscene beyond the power of words to express.

58 posted on 02/18/2007 10:36:49 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Just A Nobody; george76; freema
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59 posted on 02/18/2007 10:39:49 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: MHGinTN
I trust you'll be in the gathering of Eagles?

But of course, silly. ;*)
Check it out!

60 posted on 02/18/2007 10:41:03 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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