[NeoCaveman]

"Vote for me and I'll appoint judges that protect you from me" It's a fairly odd campaign slogan.

[flashbunny]

let's see:

Lifetime pro roe v wade, even advocating having the government paying for abortions for poor women.

Anti-gun record. Filed junk lawswuit against the gun industry ala the brady bunch. Propsed federal ban on ALL "assault weapons". Wants restrictive handgun licensing on a federal level.

Pro campaign finance reform laws.

Fought against the feds to maintain NY's "Sanctuary city" stance, basically flouting federal laws to appeal to illegal immigrants.

What's not to like?????

[CobaltBlue]

Ping.

[Dreagon]

I'm sure the corporate Republicans love him, and would dearly like the social conservatives to just shut up and vote for him.....but we are tired of being used and played for suckers.

No RINOs for us. Thanks.

[CobaltBlue]

Rudy is defined as not being "pro-life" because "pro-life" has been defined to mean "no abortion, whatsoever, by anyone, any time, for any reason."

Does every Republican agree with that definition? No.

Rudy is defined at not being "pro gun" because "pro gun" has been defined to mean, "buy and own all the guns you want with no restriction whatsoever, by anyone, any time, for any reason."

Does every Republican agree with that definition? No.

Do the radicals own the party? No.

[Alberta's Child]

The more interesting question is whether Giuliani can establish a new description of what it means to be "socially conservative." Perhaps to be socially conservative means something more than just fidelity to pro-life and anti-gay marriage positions.

OK -- So now the Giuliani camp is so convinced that their attempts to twist his track record have failed, they're now going to turn him into a "social conservative" by redefining what it means to be a social conservative. LOL.

Giuliani has a convincing argument that he is an ethical or cultural conservative who in the end will protect the values that most conservative Republicans hold dear.

No, he doesn't. If he had a convincing argument, he wouldn't have to make an argument at all.

. . . and politics as a struggle between decent hard working people and elites who have too little respect for their values -- public safety, respect for religion and public virtue.

Complete BS. Rudy Giuliani has long been firmly in the back pocket of large corporate interests ever since he entered politics.

[Cicero]

Sorry, but the right to life is absolutely basic. It is the most fundamental of the inalienable rights. Killing babies is not compatible with traditional morality.

[Zack Nguyen]

What this article means is that conservatives should give up concrete principles in favor of some nebulous "he'll protect your values" argument, which means nothing.

A Giuliani nomination will split this party wide open, possibly fracturing it beyond repair.

[hosepipe]

Giuliani will not ONLY get Hillary elected..
He will get her elected with a MANDATE..

At least thats what the democrats will call it..
Rudy should be in the cabinet maybe but not President elect..

Many republicans WILL NOT vote for Giuliani..
OR any of the other republican leftists..

NEWT is the ONLY game in town that could give Hillary a run for her money..
She would NEVER debate him.. NEVER.. He would kill her..

The question: has America been sufficiently dumbed down to elect Hillary?..
By Americas schools and colleges.. especially Americas women..

[TAdams8591]

"For him and those he has befriended, social conservatism means defending a functioning civil society where families enjoy physical security, religious respect, and public decency."

Nice try but no cigar. It appears the attempts to spin Rudy into a social conservative will never end.

[Swordfished]

my displeasure with Rudy stems more from his big-government, anti-freedom stances than with his lack of 'conservative socialist' stances

if he's the nominee and up against Hillary or Obama, I will vote for him though.

i think it's high time 'social conservatives' renamed themselves 'conservative socialists'. they should be proud of their decision not to champion liberty as the highest value.

[servantboy777]

"the description "social liberal," can overcome the objections of many religious conservatives to win the Republican nomination."

Not this conservative!

[Spiff]

Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion...Do You?

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000

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TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999

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BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

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MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000

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***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

[redgolum]

I never thought I would see this so soon. Right here, we have liberal talking points for a GOP candidate. Every concern someone has is ridiculed and belittled, and threats are used to convince the voter.

Rudy has PUBLICALLY said he is very close to Hillary on most issues. Yet this is the great hope of the GOP? To be "close" to the views of the DNC?

If to win you have to abandon the core values of the party, then why even pretend that they exist.