Posted on 02/13/2007 3:02:27 PM PST by Jim Robinson
We have two major political parties in America. One is pro abortion, pro gay rights, anti first amendment, pro gun control, pro big government, pro big spending, pro illegal immigrant, pro environmentalism, pro United Nations, anti war.
The other is or is quickly becoming pro abortion, pro gay rights, anti first amendment, pro gun control, pro big government, pro big spending, pro illegal immigrant, pro environmentalism, pro United Nations, fading quickly on the war.
Huh?
Self-fulfilling prophecy if Rudy is nominated.
Agreed.
You're right. Our nation is turning into a romanesque soap opera--a spectacle administered by shrews behind both parties.
Democratic Platform: "The dictatorship of the proletariat has carved the way to true Marxist utopia, and the time is ripe to throw off our last capitalist shackles, purge the remaining bourgeois and Christians, return our cities to mother earth, abort all parasitic fetuses stealing the fluids of the motherland without ration cards, make property ownership illegal, decriminalize forced anal sex, allow people to marry trees and any other life forms, rid ourselves of our last gun museum, reduce the age of consent to 3 months, augment the Good Citizen Data Chips with Good Citizen Forehead and Hand Tattoos, increase the maximum tax bracket rate from 99% to 99.9%, put Mao on the dollar bill, Stalin on the twenty, Hillary Clinton on the ten, FDR on the fifty, Noam Chomsky on the Franklin, make the US flag illegal, replace the Constitution, the Executive, the Judiciary, and the Legislature with United Nations designated leadership, expand Hate Speech laws to criminalize the expression of any sentiment drifting apart from the Progressive Party Line, and outlaw the consumption of any product derived from a living organism - animal, plant, fungi, archaea , protista, or bacteria (and we will henceforth outlaw such discriminatory classification schemes)."
- Hillary Hussein Kucinich III & a French Oak Tree
Republican Platform: "Vote for us - we may only be 1% better than the Democrats now, but COME ON! If you don't vote for us, Hillary Hussein Kunicich III will be president. It will be your fault. Keep holding your nose.
- George W. McCain & John F. Schwarzenegger
Two years is not really very long. There's no time like the present to get started. Let's Roll!
LOL excellent!
"Let the Republicans and the Democrats split the liberal vote!"
Yes, and that is precisely what WOULD happen.
There are plenty of Democrats who are conservative, but who will not vote for the Republican party because the GOP is the party of the country club, etc. The partisan rancor is so deep that people may hate their own party real bad, but they will never, ever, ever vote for the OTHER hated party.
Reagan Democrats actually bit the bullet and came over, but many many conservatives, at least social conservatives, remained behind in the Democratic party because they cannot stand country-club GOP elitism and never will, or because Lincoln burned Savannah, or whatever.
A third party that is American and Conservative in name, and doesn't pretend that it's the "heir of Lincoln" or any some such, which is conservative and NOT Republican, will get conservatives who were Democrats who cannot ever consider voting for a Republican as a quasi-religious proposition...that one doesn't make deals with the Devil.
If it were started on a place like FR, and then picked up and championed by some of the talk radio media, it would grow, swiftly. It would not become the majority party, and would not win the Presidency, but it would certainly win some seats in the national legislature, and in a closely-divided Congress, that means power. And if these American Conservatives were tough and very principled, their portion would grow and grow over time. Paralysis would hurt the other two parties worse than the upstart.
Another vein of ore to mine is veterans. Despised by Dems and currently being badly used by Republicans (we're sending Marines to courts-martial for killing people in a FIREFIGHT for God's sake!), and you have a potential swelling of ranks on that vector.
Where the thing might come apart aborning is if the new American Conservative Party tried to be both a socially conservative AND economically conservative party. The GOP is economically conservative. That base is covered by them. What is lacking...and what is more numerous...are SOCIAL conservatives and patriots. An American Conservative Party can be practically agnostic on economic issues, or simply cooperate with the GOP on them, but it must above all be a champion of patriotism and SOCIAL conservatism and morals.
So say I, but who am I?
Jim Robinson, now, there's a man with a website that reaches millions of people and has changed recent history. He could put something together swiftly, if he wanted to.
I'm no prize for any movement, but I'd join in a heartbeat.
I don't blame the pro-Rudy posters.
The MSM is fawning over Rudy right now and giving him massive media coverage and widespread name recognition.
Now, tell me, why would the MSM do that for a Republican?
Logic dictates that they want him for the GOP nominee so they can trash him once the GOP is committed to him.
Because they know it would split the GOP, should he get the nomination.
Divide et impera.
If we stick to principles we will never be lost.
"why would the MSM do that for a Republican?"
Because then it's a win win situation for a Liberal MSM.
Courtesy ping to the Three Musketeer Rudybots, plus sidekick.
You should be here sticking up for your guy, don't you think?
Some are under an illusion that there is a huge difference between the parties, when in fact on many issues there is not, and never has been, really.
There is a major difference in the center of gravity between the parties on the abortion issue, but both parties have their own minority wings. The same is true of gay rights, although over time the Pubbies are realizing more and more that gay bashing is a loser, and the center of gravity is slowly changing. The difference of attitudes among younger people is quite massive vis a vis their elders on that issue.
Both parties have been in favor of campaign spending restrictions since rocks cooled, and to suggest that anything goes, will result in the wealthy totally controlling every politician in sight. The Dems have abandoned gun control because it is a loser at the margin. Bot parties are in love with big spending and big government, and have been since rocks cooled, particularly George Bush.
There is a difference in the center of gravity on illegals between the parties, but Bush is on the Dem side on that one. Both parties have been in favor of environmental regulations since rocks cooled, and there really isn't that much a difference between the parties on the environment; it is mostly posturing noise. The options really are rather limited. Bot parties have been in favor of the UN since rocks cooled, although the Pubbies like to made sound bytes about it, from time to time.
The Pubbies are beginning to panic on Iraq, because we seem to be getting dangerously close to simply underwriting a civil war, and getting into the middle of that fray. That policy is not sustainable, either militarily or politically.
And there you have it.
PS: There is a big difference between the parties on tort lawyers, and school vouchers, and tax policy, but those items were not mentioned in the vanity post.
You know what happened to the founder of M.A.D.D., don't you?
You misunderstood my point (which, admittedly, was clear as mud).
I wasn't suggesting that an American Conservative Party should be like the libertarians.
What I meant was that for many Democrats who are in fact socially conservative and even religious, to vote for the Republican Party would be to them like voting for the Devil. The degree of partisan hatred is so deep among many on both sides that their partisanship is LIKE a religion, and so voting for the OTHER party would be like committing a sacrilege.
I was trying to make the further point there are a lot of Democrats who are fed up with and pissed off at the immoral direction the Democrat party has gone, but they WILL NOT vote for anything that is the REPUBLICAN Party, because of that word, "Republican". Not voting for Republicans I called a "quasi-religious thing", but I didn't mean by that anything having to do with God. What I meant was that the partisan feelings AGAINST the other party are so deeply-held that they go below reason and have the strength of fate.
There are Democrats who would vote for a new, social conservative party who would never, ever vote for the REPUBLICAN Party even if it had the same platform because of that label: Republican.
Let me give a clearer example. Suppose there was a party in the USA that stood up and was pro-gun, pro-life, pro-military, pro-law and order, anti-illegal immigration, and anti-tax. What's not to love!!!
Suppose it called itself the "Soviet Communist Party of the United States". It had THAT platform, but it called itself Soviet and Communist. Could you vote for it? Millions could not. For many Democrats, "Republican" has the same moral strength as "Nazi". They could vote for the ideas, but never that name.
That was my point.
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