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"I would also note that we have close to 140,000 troops on the ground now and my understanding is that Mr Howard has deployed 1400,''Mr Obama, who next year could become the first African American to be elected US president, said.

I would note that Australia has troops in both East Timor and the Solomon Islands, as part of this War on Terror, and the United States, despite being much larger than us does not.

If Senator Obama expects us to put troops in Iraq because of some statistical reason, I suggest the US needs to send a few troops there.

Of course, such a decision would be strategically pointless, and militarily stupid, because war is not a numbers game. It's nowhere near as simple as how many troops you have on the ground - it's what is needed and what they are doing.

Strategically, it makes sense for Australia to carry the lions share of responsibility in our own backyard (and I would be remiss if I failed to mention that the US has been quick to assist us logistically in both those operations when there has been something they could usefully do), and so we have taken on the heavy lifting there. But that limits the troops we have available for other theatres in this Global War on Terror.

The big question I have - and the reason why the idea of President Barak Obama is a big concern for Australia, moreso than a President Hilary Clinton would be, is whose side would Obama be on in the event of a conflict between Australia and Indonesia?

What worries me is a repeat of the Falklands situation, writ large - when the United States is forced to choose between two nations it wants to be friendly with.

To the credit of the US, back then they chose to go with the UK over Argentina when it came down to brass tacks, but back then Ronald Reagan was in the White House. You don't get that many Ronald Reagans.

1 posted on 02/11/2007 8:04:50 PM PST by naturalman1975
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By the way, as regards the Falklands, the Argentines were clearly in the wrong. They should be grateful Margaret did not let loose her subs aside from the Belgrano, or their entire fleet would have been on the bottom of the ocean.


33 posted on 02/11/2007 8:24:15 PM PST by MSF BU
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So the troops from Australia already risking their lives are empty rhetoric? This coming from the empty suit himself that only won election because Ditka chose not to run and Ryan decided to become that state's Taft.

Someone tell Obama he's a freshmen, anyway, and must wait for Turbin to slam the Australian troops before his turn is up.


36 posted on 02/11/2007 8:24:46 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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obama: Mr. International Diplomacy, guaranteed to win friends for America at home and abroad.
39 posted on 02/11/2007 8:26:29 PM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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Prime Minister Howard has every reason to wonder about Rats (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party). As an ally of the U.S. IMO he has every right to worry about the direction of his super power partner.

Besides, BJ was doing a little of our laundry in Australia -- the Rats have plans to diminish America but there is still a majority that don't.

Bill Clnton spoke to the 2002 World Congress on the Peaceful Reunification of China and World Peace in Sydney, Australia, BJ said that America's "pre-eminent military, economic and political power would not last."

"This is just a period," he said, "a few decades this will last . . . how would we like to be treated when we no longer have this pre-eminent position and we have to work in a cooperative fashion with others to a far greater extent than we have to do today."

We should be concerned also, very concerned. Thank you, Prime Minister Howard.

45 posted on 02/11/2007 8:34:20 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Obama will be president only in the fever swamps of his own mind. (And the minds of his syncophants in the press.)

By the way... from your homepage:

I served in my country's military for over twenty years. I've seen what evil is and what evil can do, and I know which countries are evil, and which aren't. And too much of the media seems to get confused about this nowadays.

Please accept this Yank's humble gratitude for your service and for your family's sacrifice... and for the true words you have spoken.
47 posted on 02/11/2007 8:39:29 PM PST by Nervous Tick
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To: naturalman1975; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; dixiechick2000; gonzo

Hussein Obama Twelfth Imam needs a brain implant as a follow-on to his chin implant.

The corrupt Muslim liar dares mock a staunch ally in this very real fight--for noting the obvious.

Democrats want to cut and run in Iraq, so Hussein Obama's playground taunt falls flat.

Democrats--notably the Clinton Janus--failed to act against the terrorist attacks of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, Iran in the WTC I bombing, Mogadishu (full flight), Khobar Towers, African Embassy bombings, USS Cole.

Obama has experience in combat? Obama has sent Illinois troops to fight in Indiana or Iowa?

No, Obama has bought a fine house and had a political fixer give him the adjacent property.

Obama isn't a knife.

Now, John Howard--that's a knife!


51 posted on 02/11/2007 8:49:02 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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"Otherwise, it's just a bunch of empty rhetoric.''

Well this guy would know empty rhetoric when he hears it. As a matter of fact ALL democraps operate in the world of empty rhetoric !!!


52 posted on 02/11/2007 8:52:18 PM PST by Obie Wan
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I hope Obama keeps opening his fat mouth.... he can't seem to shut up now that the attention is on him...

Could he be channeling Dean?...Will we have another scream heard around the world? Judging from Obama's behavior it will be a fit of rage.... go Obama go... feel the rage.
53 posted on 02/11/2007 8:52:19 PM PST by Porterville (Rudy For President 2008!!! Go Rudy.)
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If Barack Hussein Obama wants to go one-on-one with Australia's John Howard, he'll find himself neutered without mercy.

To paraphrase Sir Winston Churchill:

'An empty limousine pulled up outside of Capitol Hill, and Barack Obama got out.'

The lightest of lightweights, Obama will be to this election cycle what Howard Dean was in the last one.

All mouth, and no substance.


56 posted on 02/11/2007 9:00:31 PM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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Wow, this 'bama character sure knows how to make our allies feel good about the US commitment in this WOT /sarc>
57 posted on 02/11/2007 9:06:59 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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Barack Hussein Obama just proved his poor math skills.
Australia's population is what? 20.26 million!
USA population is.....298.44 million.

Simple math tells you if USA has 140,000 troops in Iraq,
Australia would need only 8000 more troops NOT 20,000 more
troops. Mr B.O. is just a dumb liburral!


59 posted on 02/11/2007 9:15:30 PM PST by gwbiny2k
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"Obama has told Prime Minister John Howard to put up or shut up. Mr Obama, speaking at a packed press conference in Iowa today, said if MrHoward was concerned about the situation in Iraq he should send 20,000 Australian troops to the strife-torn nation."

Not quite and argument that helps Obama get out of his getting ripped! Not even close.

60 posted on 02/11/2007 9:16:11 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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"I think the most interesting thing about (Senator Obama's comments) is that it didn't really address the substance of the issue,'' Howard told ABC Radio.

For the life of me I can't understand why Howard is stooping down to Obama/Hillary level? He should just let this one go and stop interfering in US politics. Let the GOP candidates go after Obama and Hillary. I love Howard, but this is not helping him. He is more classy.
64 posted on 02/11/2007 9:43:24 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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The Aussie`s aren't afraid to fight. Obama should be careful that Prime Minister Howard might take him up on his offer to send more troops just to show just what kind of sissy American liberals are.
68 posted on 02/11/2007 10:25:15 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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I think Biden spoke a little too quickly when he said that Obama was articulate. Obama may have an affirmative action degree from Harvard, but he talks like Jesse Jackson - and says stupid things dressed up with pretty words.


71 posted on 02/11/2007 11:51:50 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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When Obama is the one making the decisions about how many troops are needed, and where they need to be, THEN he can start lecturing world leaders about their response to the war. Until then, he needs to concentrate on HIS job, not that of a foreign leader.


73 posted on 02/12/2007 12:33:22 AM PST by SuziQ
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Ridicule, call names to divert attention from total lack of intellectual honesty.


75 posted on 02/12/2007 2:32:23 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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"Otherwise, it's just a bunch of empty rhetoric.''

Barak Hussein Obama is 'just a bunch of empty rhetoric.'

What a lightweight fool.

86 posted on 02/12/2007 2:38:49 PM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops!!)
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Obama's a gaffe that is surely of the same caliber as our NZ Prime Minister Helen Clark's sage observation about the WOT and GWB that got us all into trouble...

It's the sort of remark that is very hard to retrench from, despite all subsequent efforts. As they say, "Friendly fire isn't!"

Perhaps he's done the US a favor and acted as his own stalking horse...

(you don't see *that* happening often, ay!)


88 posted on 02/12/2007 8:21:24 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter
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