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Cuyahoga Co. To Allow Organ Harvest Before Brain Death (Ohio)
News Net 5 (Cleveland) ^ | February 10, 2007 | not specified

Posted on 02/10/2007 12:17:23 PM PST by keats5

CLEVELAND -- Prosecutors in Ohio's most populous county said they'll no longer block the local organ bank if it wants to remove organs from people who are not yet brain dead.

Most organs are removed for donation only after the brain ceases all activity. But nationwide there has been growing use a more complicated procedure to remove the organs after the heart stops working.

Three such donations were done in Akron last year.

Cuyahoga County prosecutors for the past decade have clashed with the LifeBanc over removing organs after cardiac death. At one point they threatened homicide charges.

But Prosecutor Bill Mason has written a legal opinion endorsing a revised procedure that does not include use of a blood thinning drug that prosecutors believed would hasten death.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: braindeath; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; organ
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To: keats5
Bill Mason, the crooked prosecutor that sold Parma down the river in federal court for a promotion to the county? That Bill Mason?

The way I see it, once the government really gets control of health insurance, it will be to their fiscal advantage to harvest organs from more people so as to reduce health care costs.

61 posted on 02/10/2007 5:02:31 PM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: meyer

Sounds rather Nazi, doesn't it?


62 posted on 02/10/2007 5:04:00 PM PST by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: darkangel82
Sounds rather Nazi, doesn't it?

I expect nothing less from that National Socialist party (AKA the democRATS) of Cuyahoga County. These are the same people that keep re-electing Kucinich.

63 posted on 02/10/2007 5:16:02 PM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: doorgunner69
...I agree with the "slippery slope" comment: what is next? Using bits of the arms and legs of parapalegics because they don't need them anymore?

Speaking about using the bits of arms and legs..Why not? Thats what they do here in the U.S. with aboted babies, circumventing the law agains the sale of fetal tissue, through a loophole that involves licence fees etc.

64 posted on 02/10/2007 5:42:11 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: meyer

Yep. No different from when I lived there in the 80s and 90s.


65 posted on 02/10/2007 5:43:35 PM PST by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: keats5

This is a very poorly worded article, and entirely too brief to explain what is occurring....

If the 'heart stops working' the brain is sure to follow (in about 45 seconds after cardiac arrest), that is pretty quick. And, if the heart 'stops working', then the only way to ensure organ viability would be to artificially restore the circulation, say with some sort of cardiopulmonary bypass or ventricular assist device. I wonder if this is the 'complicated procedure' they are referring to?

I'm not so sure this is as ominous as many are making it out to be...but without more information, it's hard to say.


66 posted on 02/10/2007 5:57:14 PM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: Uncle Chip

You got that right.


67 posted on 02/10/2007 5:57:14 PM PST by freekitty
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To: soupcon

It seems like healthy people everywhere are all for euthanasia.


68 posted on 02/10/2007 6:12:19 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: keepitreal

Well said....bullseye.


69 posted on 02/10/2007 6:17:33 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: keats5
Doctors have a financial incentive for transplants.
Hospitals have a financial incentive for transplants.

The rest of us want readily available medical care without super-inflated costs.

Solution: Allow the estates of voluntary organ donors to be paid. Then you'd have all the legitimate organ donors you'd need and with the artificial scarcity removed the costs would drop. There would be no need to kill patients for their organs - there would be plenty of donors.

Oddly, doctors and hospitals oppose any payments to families.

Strange, isn't it?
70 posted on 02/10/2007 6:19:49 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: gondramB
Strange, isn't it?

Not really...

At least not half as strange as your comments.

Beside the fact that you insinuate that the medical profession is wholly unethical, who else in the US works for no financial incentive...

Should transplant teams, physicians and hospital facilities be expected to operate at a moments notice for nothing?

71 posted on 02/10/2007 6:29:11 PM PST by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: keats5; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...


72 posted on 02/10/2007 6:38:43 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: keats5

And doctor attempts to take organs from a family member or loved one before they are well and truly dead (And without their express permission), they will be prime candidates for donation themselves.

You want to carve someone up before they are dead, think of the immediate and personal consequences that could befall you.

Some of us won't sit still for this kind of evil.


73 posted on 02/10/2007 6:42:05 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Ethrane

>>Not really...

At least not half as strange as your comments.

Beside the fact that you insinuate that the medical profession is wholly unethical, who else in the US works for no financial incentive...

Should transplant teams, physicians and hospital facilities be expected to operate at a moments notice for nothing?<<

I don't think our points are that different. Financial incentive is the great motivator of capitalist societies. I certainly don't think doctors or hospitals should work for free - nor do I want the government regulating prices for doctors or hospitals.

I do think it is strange that the AMA understands financial incentive so well for those doing the transplant but opposes even small payments to the donor's family. This creates artificial scarcity.

And yes, I know the AMA voted to support a study to see whether payments would ease the shortage. If they actually change their position and their lobbying pressure on the various bills to change the 1984 law, I promise to admit I was wrong about them.


74 posted on 02/10/2007 6:50:53 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: keats5
Cuyahoga County prosecutors for the past decade have clashed with the LifeBanc over removing organs after cardiac death. At one point they threatened homicide charges. Now that makes sense to me. But Prosecutor Bill Mason has written a legal opinion endorsing a revised procedure that does not include use of a blood thinning drug that prosecutors believed would hasten death. This makes no sense to me.
75 posted on 02/10/2007 7:04:22 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: dakine

I can take them to the grave with me, which is where they will go and where they belong, in my opinion.


76 posted on 02/10/2007 7:39:38 PM PST by Constitution1st (Never, never, never quit - Winston Churchill)
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To: grey_whiskers

Ooops! I think you meant the "greater good". America would do things for the common good, but not the greater good, which is what communists do things for.


77 posted on 02/10/2007 7:41:37 PM PST by Constitution1st (Never, never, never quit - Winston Churchill)
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To: WKB
What about people who are suicidal? If they're standing there on the parapet of a building or the rail of a bridge and are thinking of killing themselves anyway.

And of course, there's the legislator that wants to fine people in New York for walking across the street while using an iPod or some other electronic device - why not harvest their organs?

With tongue firmly planted in cheek... (SARCASM!!!)

78 posted on 02/10/2007 7:59:16 PM PST by Friend_from_the_Frozen_North (Temps were down to -40 Fahrenheit (now 15 Above); guess ALGORE is right - we have been Warmin' Up!)
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To: keats5

Grrrr...

We just had a battle in our state medical society over this. A transplant team wanted to change the procedure to certify death to make it easier to get at organs. These transplant surgeons are too pushy for a patient's own good. Seeing their behavior has made me revoke my organ donor status and I recommend you do the same.


79 posted on 02/10/2007 8:06:56 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Friend_from_the_Frozen_North

What about people who are suicidal?



Just hope they don't harm any vital organs.


80 posted on 02/10/2007 8:18:37 PM PST by WKB (This Baptist would vote for a Mormon before he'd vote for a moron AGAIN.)
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