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Virginia Episcopal Bishop Sues Exiting Churches
Ctizenlink ^ | 2/10/07 | Pete Winn

Posted on 02/10/2007 11:58:58 AM PST by XR7

A split within the Episcopal Church has begun and is on its way to court -- something akin to "divorce court," it seems.

More than 100 Episcopal parishes -- and some dioceses -- have either left the denomination or requested alternative oversight within the worldwide Anglican Communion. One of them is St. Stephen's Church in Heathsville, Va.

"We left the Episcopal Church because we could no longer be under the leadership of people who have the attitude that they did about the authority of Scripture," said the Rev. Jeffrey Cerar, rector of St. Stephen's. "Starting several years ago, the Episcopal Church elected and put in place a homosexual bishop and did so in disregard of the Scriptures. It was just a symptom of a much larger problem, which is that the leadership of the Episcopal Church does not regard Scripture as authoritative in the same sense that Christians always have before."

He added: "One of the symptoms of the church now is that the new presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, (Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schorri) is saying that Christ is not the only way to salvation -- just a way."

Cerar's church is one of 11 that recently left the Virginia diocese. Bishop Peter Lee, in return, filed suit against each of the 11, seeking to confiscate the church properties -- and has taken steps to defrock 27 clergy associated with those churches.

Cerar said his congregation is now Anglican -- not Episcopalian -- and there's no going back.

"(Bishop Lee) has taken the position that congregations cannot leave the Episcopal Church -- only individuals can," the Rev. Jeffrey Cerar told CitizenLink, "(but) our congregation, as a congregation, took a vote, and by a three-fourths majority, decided in a duly constituted meeting to sever our ties -- and we also voted to keep our property."

The Rev. Canon David C. Anderson, president and CEO of the American Anglican Council, accused Bishop Lee of "betraying" and "deceiving" the churches by leading them to believe that they could leave without retribution.

Anderson said the Virginia diocese had been in negotiations with the 11 churches until the bishop suddenly broke off the talks and reneged upon a process Lee had established to reach an amicable separation.

"These actions (by the diocese of Virginia) are shameful and un-Christian," he said. "The bishop's refusal to consider further negotiation appears to be intentionally punitive."

Cerar, by the way, is one of the 21 priests who Bishop Lee declared to be "inhibited." Six others had their credentials revoked.

" 'Inhibited' means that the bishop has said that we have 'abandoned' our communion -- or participation -- with the Episcopal Church," Cerar said. "Therefore, we are prohibited from functioning as ordained clergy for the next six months."

The move hasn't stopped Cerar -- or the others.

"All 21 of us have gotten ourselves recognized by either the Church of Uganda or the Church of Nigeria," he said, "so we are priests of those churches and no longer as priests in the Episcopal Church. It's a very significant thing from the perspective of the Virginia diocese, but it hasn't put me out of business. I'm still functioning as the spiritual leader of this congregation."

The Virginia diocese did not return CitizenLink's phone calls.

Next week, the heads of the Anglican Communion's 38 provinces, known as "Primates," will meet in Tanzania to discuss the possibility of breaking off relations with the American church.


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KEYWORDS: anglican; apostacy; apostate; apostatechurch; bishops; churchproperty; ecusa; episcopal; episcopalian; fauxchristians; feminazis; gayagenda; generobinson; homosexualagenda; itsallaboutthemoney; jeffertsschorri; litigation; property; religiousleft; robinson; schorri
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To: megatherium
I posted several articles on this for the Anglican list, among them:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1765981/posts?page=3#3
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1755748/posts<

The latter has links to explore.

41 posted on 02/10/2007 3:28:53 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: XR7
"Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schorri) is saying that Christ is not the only way to salvation -- just a way."

I am not sure what Bible this women is reading but

Jonah 2:9
But I, with a song of thanksgiving, will sacrifice to you. What I have vowed I will make good. Salvation comes from the LORD."
42 posted on 02/10/2007 3:49:48 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: Verginius Rufus

It (The Falls Church) is .
The church preexists the diocese.In fact, it was before there was an Episcopal church.
The earlier contending that it is cut and dried are quite wrong.


43 posted on 02/10/2007 4:05:23 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Kimmers
C'mon..Pluralism is all the rage now...Look at all the retreat places out there that promote this in some form. s/

I would love to do a retreat circuit, and ask them all, "Why? Isn't His bread alone enough to sustain us?"

44 posted on 02/10/2007 6:30:30 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: Kimmers

And of course John 14:6..."I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me"


45 posted on 02/10/2007 6:33:25 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: Albion Wilde
Cast thy bread upon the waters; for thou shalt find it after many days.
Ecclesiastes 11:1
46 posted on 02/10/2007 6:55:45 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: etlib

I think Christians in Africa and other troubled places are simply struggling to survive. This can cause one to focus on what is important. They cannot afford the luxury of arguing about what color the church carpet should be (if they are fortunate enough to have a church building and a carpet) and somehow I don't think the most important thing with them is homosexuality, poltical correctness, or deconstructing the Bible.


47 posted on 02/10/2007 7:07:19 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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1 Corinthians 6: 1 Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints [saints = the people who are saved by faith in Jesus Christ]? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?
4 So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren, 6 but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers?
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another.
Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
48 posted on 02/10/2007 7:14:48 PM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: Tom D.
For better or for worse, the Episcopal Church structure is such that each diocese essentially owns the churches within that diocese, not the congregations.

I am certain that rule was instituted with exactly this sort of conflict in mind.

49 posted on 02/10/2007 7:16:53 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: right-wingin_It
And of course John 14:6..."I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me".

Well, you saw what Gerald Ford's TEC preacher did during his funeral: Quoted the first sentence, lopped off the second.

50 posted on 02/10/2007 7:36:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: rpgdfmx; Tom D.; lexington minuteman 1775

Virginia statutory law explicitly in cases of denominational splits gives the property to the congregation, not the larger denomination.

Besides that, TEC's legal claim to individual properties dates only to 1980...put in place by the liberal leadership at the time...to mollify (blackmail) conservative congregations into submission. Each mainline (liberal) Protestant denomination (Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopal) put similar measures in place at the time, for the same reason.

There has been no purchase or fundraising on the part of the denomination for these church properties, each congregation bought and maintained the properties themselves.

The key churches in the Virginia cases date to the 1750s anyway....well over 50 years before any Episcopal denomination in America existed.

These property disputes are an attempt at intimidation and stealing on the part of liberal churchmen, plain and simple.


51 posted on 02/10/2007 7:39:15 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: rpgdfmx

The Anglicans didn't much care when they stole all those Catholic properties in the 16th century...


52 posted on 02/10/2007 8:03:59 PM PST by sobieski
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To: gcruse

You guessed it!


53 posted on 02/11/2007 7:50:30 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's as simple as ABC - Anyone But Clinton!)
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To: PAR35
In Anglican theology, as in Reformed, (see Art 19), the church is the people, not the property
This is the United States of America. What does Anglican theology have to do with the law. Thomas Jefferson (a good Virginian if ever there was one) is spinning in his grave. I know some posters here are more conservative than most Americans, but the Revolution was a long, long time ago and King George III is still dead.
54 posted on 02/11/2007 1:38:07 PM PST by rpgdfmx
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To: AnalogReigns

Thank you, your reply was helpful.
I live in northeast Florida. We have an episcopal church here that simply walked away from thier building without a court fight. A now meeting in a chapel at a catholic high school and have joined the Anglicans.
It seems to me the Episcopal church is breaking up.
It was over the same issues, homosexuality, the leadership saying there are many routes to heaven, etc. The former rector said this battle had been going on for almost 40 years and the election of the new head of the church who is a thelogical liberal was the last straw.


55 posted on 02/11/2007 2:06:18 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: sionnsar

This is what The Falls Church is embroiled in. It seems to be an attempt by the diocese to intimidate any congregations who may want to leave into thinking twice.

Falls Church is counting on Virginia law to decide who legally holds the church propery, which goes back 300 years. We shall see.


56 posted on 02/11/2007 2:12:04 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Temporarily Posting from Washington DC)
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To: Albion Wilde
On the other hand, the members of those churches were the ones who paid the monies to support those buildings, often for many generations of families, so they can't be expected to walk away with nothing.

For centuries, when a group of churchgoers had a radically different idea (e.g., God approves of homosexual conduct), they would leave the established church and found a new church or denomination. That involved real sacrifice for their beliefs. In this case, the radicals merely took over the church, and claimed its inheritance. They'll end up with lots of gorgeous buildings, and the hard-earned efforts of real Christians, but won't be able to support it with actual parishioners.

57 posted on 02/11/2007 2:15:00 PM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: rpgdfmx
What does Anglican theology have to do with the law.

It has to do with your lack of proper terminology. If you wish to refer to property owned by the parish, you should do so; if you want to talk about the church, you are referring to the people, not the land. When dealing with legal issues, one must be specific.

Thomas Jefferson (a good Virginian if ever there was one) is spinning in his grave.

Aye, but not for the reasons that you seem to imply. Jefferson knew that the Constitution was a limit on federal, not state power. To the extent that Virginia recognizes that the Parish controls the real estate (Code of Virginia Sec. 57-9 (A)), the federal courts should not interfere.

58 posted on 02/11/2007 3:41:25 PM PST by PAR35
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To: megatherium

I see that you theological liberals are still quoting that New York Times slander of the Bishop of Nigeria.


59 posted on 02/11/2007 3:45:45 PM PST by PAR35
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
I live in northeast Florida. We have an episcopal church here that simply walked away from thier building without a court fight.

The situation was somewhat different in northeast Florida. I looked at some of the real estate records there, and the Bishop had the properties titled in his name; they were not titled in the names of the individual parishes. In Virginia, it is my understanding that the properties are titled in the parishes, and that there are no written trusts. Thus, the legal outcome should be quite different than would have been seen in Florida.

The Virginia parishes should also be able to show bad faith dealing on the part of their bishop, which should help their case.

60 posted on 02/11/2007 3:51:27 PM PST by PAR35
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