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Congress poised to regulate tobacco (next week)
TimesDispatch.com ^ | Feb 9, 2007 | PETER HARDIN

Posted on 02/09/2007 4:35:32 PM PST by SheLion

WASHINGTON -- Bipartisan legislation to give the federal Food and Drug Administration regulatory control over tobacco products may be introduced next week.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: keepyournoseout; nannystate; nostrildamus; potsmokerslaughing
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To: SheLion

Let's add more fluoride to our water while we are at it too.



Remember when....

Excerpt:

The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany`s Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride`s supposed effect on children`s teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and
force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission.



And back before the NRPE got their claws into the EPA....

The EPA's Headquarters Professionals' Union Opposed Fluoridation.


Who is this NRPE???

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1758057/posts?page=33#33


61 posted on 02/09/2007 8:54:19 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SheLion

>>>...anyone could have put this on the Internet.

That is what happened when California tried to ban water.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1098766/posts


62 posted on 02/09/2007 8:56:56 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SheLion
Yep. The government can make tobacco illegal. Why don't they?

I mean,it's so bad for you, and they're banning it everywhere. Businesses can't or won't allow people to smoke in their buildings. Some won't even employ smokers.

Insurance companies charge more to smokers. Commercials everywhere warning you, even from the tobacco industry itself.

So why does the government continue to willingly permit a product they say is deadly to be sold to the public?

Everybody knows pot is bad for you. And that is the argument used to keep it illegal. The same can be said for tobacco.

IMHO, the government, by permitting tobacco to be sold to the public, is an accessory to the health risk it fines the tobacco industry.
63 posted on 02/09/2007 8:58:06 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: gcruse

When they came for the RU48, I said nothing, for I cannot get pregnant.
When they came for the online gambling, I said nothing, for I am not Bill Bennett.
When they came for the marijuana, I said nothing, for I am not a junkie.
When they came for my tobacco, I shot every damn last one of them.
Then I killed their families and dogs, and burned down their houses.
Then I reloaded. They're not coming back! .......FRegards


64 posted on 02/09/2007 9:14:04 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo

Hmmmm....

That's a little extreme.


65 posted on 02/09/2007 9:15:26 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: gonzo

^5!


66 posted on 02/09/2007 9:15:45 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: azhenfud
Nicotine is a drug and a VERY potent pesticide.

It is a drug in common parlance. It is not a drug as defined in the Food Drug and Cosmetic Act. Under that law, a drug is a substance that is designed to treat, mitigate or cure disease. This does not describe current thinking about tobacco.

FDA doesn't regulate pesticides.

67 posted on 02/09/2007 9:35:50 PM PST by freespirited (Demand perfection, get Hillary.)
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To: freespirited

"designed to treat, mitigate or cure disease.'

Heh. Tobacco will GIVE you disease when used as intended. Yet marijuana mitigation of appetite suppression from chemotherapy isn't sufficient to decriminalize. What a country.


68 posted on 02/09/2007 9:45:30 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: SheLion
The FDA said that if they had to regulate tobacco, they would have to ban it, because they could not deem it safe!

This would actually be a blessing in disguise. There would be such a public uproar we'd actually stand an outside chance of getting rid of the damn place.

It would be far better to set up a private organization to do FDA's job. Its boobocrats could be replaced with top talent.

69 posted on 02/09/2007 9:45:33 PM PST by freespirited (Demand perfection, get Hillary.)
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To: SheLion

Waxman must have dozens of relatives and friends on the payroll over at BATFE; he sure keeps finding things for that agency to do.


70 posted on 02/09/2007 9:49:34 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


71 posted on 02/09/2007 9:59:32 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Calpernia
Let's add more fluoride to our water while we are at it too.

I'm safe from that.  I have a well!!  hehe

72 posted on 02/09/2007 11:56:23 PM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: airborne; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; ...
(BTW, my hubby was a Viet Nam Vet when he was Army.  Twp Purple Hearts.  He had some horrifying stories, let me tell you!  Anyway he smoked!  He quit once for 6 months. He and another military member bet each other that they could go the longest without smoking. And who ever started up first, it cost t them a dollar a day.  hehe

Yep. The government can make tobacco illegal. Why don't they?

Because they found a huge cash cow that balances their budgets.  Plus, there are many smokers rights groups across the country that are writing hundreds of letters to their lawmakers. Like ME!  WE ARE constituents that vote, you know.

I mean, it's so bad for you, and they're banning it everywhere. Businesses can't or won't allow people to smoke in their buildings. Some won't even employ smokers.

That's because the anti's have billions of dollars to twist the arms of the lawmakers and the city councils!  Many businesses have folded, and/or had to cut their staff.  There is a lot of articles on the Net about this and how businesses are suffering from the forced smoking bans!

Insurance companies charge more to smokers. Commercials everywhere warning you, even from the tobacco industry itself.

Not ME!  My insurance company doesn't charge any more to me just because I smoke.  Why should they?  Also, if you think this is true, you better not be a fat man.  Because obesity has passed smoking for being the nation's number one killer over smoking!

So why does the government continue to willingly permit a product they say is deadly to be sold to the public?

People have smoked for hundreds of years.  And why do you believe that we need government intervention? Do you think smokers are so weak they can't take responsibility for themselves????!!

Everybody knows pot is bad for you. And that is the argument used to keep it illegal. The same can be said for tobacco.

Cigarettes don't make us all crazy in the head, that's why;

IMHO, the government, by permitting tobacco to be sold to the public, is an accessory to the health risk it fines the tobacco industry.

Oh really?  Me thinks you are just a big ole Anti-Smoker that has no place in the house of Constituents!!! Plus, you talk about pot so much that me thinks you wish it were legal so you can smoke it and lay down and mellow out! LOL

73 posted on 02/10/2007 12:20:00 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: All
You know..........I'm just a little suspicious when a person praises pot yet disses cigarettes!

I guess we can call them Pot Heads!

74 posted on 02/10/2007 12:24:46 AM PST by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: lonestar

Here in Germany...the Greens got the health cabinet position back six years ago, and up until the last election...they ran the health ministry. The Green's health minister got the revenue side of the government to agree that a significant double tax on smokes would be a good thing. The revenue guys...always eager to get more money...assumed that she knew what she was talking about.

So they raised the smokes tax a good bit. Twelve months later...right before phase two and the next rise...the revenue guys had a heart attack. In one year...the revenue off the smokes tax dropped $350 million. This created a huge meeting where debate was raised over if it was smart to go to the next higher tax rate. The Greens felt this was great...they were actually getting smokers to quit. So they wanted the second rise.

The revenue guys went out and talked to the customs folks. Funny thing. Huge rise over the past twelve months in German citizens crossing the Lux, the Polish, the Czech and the Austrian borders...buying four cartons of smokes each...each month. If you lived within 100 miles of the border...it simply made sense and was totally legal. Added to this legal effort by smokers...was the illegal effort. The customs folks had a huge increase in mass/bulk carton smuggling into Germany. There were teenage kids who were bringing in 40 cartons of non-taxed cartons. There were the Russian mafia. There were housewives who could pick up $50 a day in transporting 100 cartons across the border.

So whatever the Greens thought was happening with lesser smokers...really wasn't true. People just got to a taxation point where they decided to go avoid the tax. The revenue office refused to go into phase two...thinking that a further tax would just mean a larger group of people avoiding the tax. This is the reality of a modern civilization today...you don't have to obey the laws...if they are not realistic.


75 posted on 02/10/2007 12:38:44 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: SheLion

Are you that ignorant? Go to your local farm store and ask for the pesticide under the name "BLACK LEAF 40". Read the label. Google the chemical.

http://www.itcilo.it/english/actrav/telearn/osh/ic/65305.htm

It has an LD:1 listing - seven drops can kill a 150lb human. When I worked the family farm, I used to use the mess (supervised, of course).

Gee, wake up SheLion.


76 posted on 02/10/2007 2:36:30 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: freespirited
"FDA doesn't regulate pesticides."

It does. Your hint: DDT and the pharmalogical and toxicology departments of FDA.

77 posted on 02/10/2007 2:55:48 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SheLion

Why don't these idiots grow a pair and just make tobacco illegal if it is so bad?

Instead of lawsuits, taxes, regulation, etc.???

They tell children it is o.k. to have sex, homosexual perversions, drugs and abortions, but don't you dare smoke a cigarette after...


78 posted on 02/10/2007 3:13:52 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: rocksblues

Yep. The way to kill this bill would be to add "alcohol regulation" by the FDA. Imagine the squealing from Ted Kennedy. Alcohol actually IS a drug. No one gets "intoxicated" from smoking.


79 posted on 02/10/2007 3:34:03 AM PST by boop (Now Greg, you know I don't like that WORD!)
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To: boop
No one gets "intoxicated" from smoking.

I did. I quit for a month, took two puffs from one the night my Grandmother died and got high - yes, I inhaled... That was ten years ago. Ain't done it since....
Anywho, the FedGov ought concentrate on improving efficiency in what it has jurisdiction over now in lieu of increasing its territory.

80 posted on 02/10/2007 3:40:53 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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