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The Study of Political Islam (Islam as a poitical force, must read)
frontpagemag ^ | feb 5 2007 | Glazov-Warner

Posted on 02/06/2007 5:01:32 AM PST by dennisw

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To: george76

Thank you for this ping. This eye opening article on the enemy of civilized man shall be passed on.


21 posted on 02/07/2007 10:55:46 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is Never Free)
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To: buschbaby

Our government leaders cannot see beyond the next election, And Bush's gaze has not extended any farther after he has passed the need to worry about elections.


22 posted on 02/07/2007 11:09:43 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: AmericanVictory
The United States may be sitting on not one but two Islamic powder kegs. One is the population of Mexican and Central American illegals. The other is the bAfro-Ams. The mayor of Macon is a straw in the wind. The temptation is there. If either group converts en masse that group will have the balance of political power in the United States. With the Afro-Ams, it would probably only be the political leaders but that is all that is needed. If both groups convert they will be the political power. I have long thought that the Spanish-speaking illegals would slide into Islam and they are, indeed, apparently experiencing some conversions at a rate that is small but accelerating. Reading about Macon's mayor jolted me. If the minor politicos make it a trend the major pols will follow and at a fast clip if they start so as to be "leaders," not "followers."
23 posted on 02/07/2007 11:20:08 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Wonder Warthog

"No. As far as I'm concerned, Islam is Satan's answer to Christianity."

In the Middle Ages, many theologians saw Islam as a post-Christian heresy.


24 posted on 02/08/2007 2:21:22 AM PST by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: george76
Fascinating article - full of great insight into the Islamic mindset.

I would argue that to some extent the same logical process that characterise Islam can be seen in Christianity - election and personal responsibility come to mind. So it isn't quite as clear cut as the interview makes out. It is how we deal with these Biblical issues where both answers have truth, that differs from Islam. (and the fact that they do not have God inspired texts whatever they claim)

Some people might not like that statement but I think I could defend it pretty robustly.

Thanks for the ping!!! Excellent read.
25 posted on 02/08/2007 3:21:37 AM PST by vimto (Life is not a dry run.)
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To: FairOpinion

This man's genius is to have some books written that deconstruct Islam and it's contradictions. Its ability to hold two truths simultaneously because Muhammad was perfect and so was the Koran. His genius is to see (try this contradiction for example) how many times Jihad is presented as warfare and how many times it is presented as inner struggle.

And surprise of surprises, in the authoritative Bukari hadith the war mongering Islam gets 97% of mentions and the jihad of inner struggle gets 3%. The two faced game that clever Muslim imams will play on intellectually lazy and naive Westerners is to present Jihad as inner struggle. Another lie is to claim all Mohamed's battles were defensive. This too can be disproved by statistical analysis of Koran and Hadith. To count how many were really defense (actually few if any) But the Muslim fall back position is that Muhammad was the perfect man thus committed no aggression. He only wanted to defend his nascent community of "believers"


26 posted on 02/08/2007 3:44:10 AM PST by dennisw (What one man can do another can do -- "The Edge")
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To: Berosus
In the Middle Ages, many theologians saw Islam as a post-Christian heresy.

When Mo was alive he was called al-meshugana (the crazy one) by the Jews, a false prophet, a false messiah

27 posted on 02/08/2007 3:46:19 AM PST by dennisw (What one man can do another can do -- "The Edge")
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To: M. Espinola

Thank you, too.


28 posted on 02/08/2007 6:47:23 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: vimto

Thanks for the ping and the read.


29 posted on 02/08/2007 6:54:42 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: EdReform

read later


30 posted on 02/08/2007 6:58:30 AM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed -- * NRA * -- * JPFO *)
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To: Wonder Warthog
No. As far as I'm concerned, Islam is Satan's answer to Christianity.

True enough, it is the ONLY world religion that exists to negate Christianity (i.e., people of the Book).

31 posted on 02/08/2007 7:23:33 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: dennisw
Islam does not assimilate, it dominates. There is never any “getting along” with Islam. Its demands never cease and the demands must be met on Islam’s terms: submission.

Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam.

Islam is a self-declared enemy of all unbelievers.

So much for the "Practitioners of the Religion of Peace". If this is true, and it appears it is, then our enemy is Islam and we should keep up our guard and fight against it wherever and whenever it rears its ugly head in our country.

Should we hate the individual Muslim? No, or we should be like them. As Christians, we should love them. But we should stand against and fight their evil political movement with a will and a resolve. We've seen how, although fierce, these people run and hide when met with superior force and a will to win. After Reagan's missile attack on Kaddafy's Libyan compound in 1986, we didn't hear from him again. Much of this has to do with simply enforcing our laws, protecting our borders, and defending our country.

It appears our country is in great peril if we fail to do this.

32 posted on 02/10/2007 2:32:38 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: dennisw

Hard for me to understand why this thread is attracting so little attention Bump!


33 posted on 02/11/2007 6:21:10 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: dennisw
I don't have to analyzzzzzzzzze Islam's "duality". Something that is 97% bad is all bad. And fortunately we CAN kill 1.3 billion people if we have to.

MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:

KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF DUTCH FILM MAKER THEO van GOGH:

Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes.
He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

APOSTATES AND "young people with foolish thoughts"
TO BE KILLED BY ANYONE WHO FINDS THEM (e.g. honor killings):

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260] Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [6:61:577] Narrated 'Ali:
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [9:84:64] Narrated 'Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

AND MODERATE MUSLIMS TOO:

HADITH Sahih Muslim [5:2325] Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
A group would secede itself (from the Ummah) when there would be dissension among the Muslims. Out of the two groups who would be nearer the truth would kill them.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):

KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:

KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN (Shakir translation): http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

ISLAM IS A SOCIOPATHIC MENTAL DISORDER.

ISLAM DELENDA EST!




TWO NUKES *CAN* DESTROY ISLAM

And why it is those who say it is a bad idea to threaten to do so who are the protectors of Islamic terrorists and not their non-existent moon-god:

If MECCA and MEDINA are destroyed then Muhammad is PROVED a liar!

KORAN [9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque [Mecca, the Kaaba] after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:103] Narrated Abu Bakra:
The Prophet said, "The terror caused by Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter Medina and at that time Medina will have seven gates and there will be two angels at each gate guarding them."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:104] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "There are angels guarding the entrances (or roads) of Medina, neither plague nor Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will be able to enter it."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:105] Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said, "There will be no town which Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter except Mecca and Medina, and there will be no entrance (road) (of both Mecca and Medina) but the angels will be standing in rows guarding it against him, and then Medina will shake with its inhabitants thrice (i.e. three earth-quakes will take place) and Allah will expel all the nonbelievers and the hypocrites from it."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:7032] Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
There will be no land which would not be covered by the Dajjal but Mecca and Medina, and there would no passage out of the passages leading to them which would not be guarded by angels arranged in rows. Then he (the Dajjal) [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] would appear in a barren place adjacent to Medina and it would rock three times that every unbeliever and hypocrite would get out of it towards him.


34 posted on 02/11/2007 12:21:05 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Taxman
Hard for me to understand why this thread is attracting so little attention Bump!

Most FReepers are already dhimmi aclimatized?
35 posted on 02/11/2007 12:23:28 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I don't think so. I hope they are alert to the menace and are preparing for the inevitable showdown. But that does not explain why this thread has not taken off.

I came to the belief last night that the Anti-Christ has already walked on the earth. He died in 632 AD, but his killing ways live on.

Roughly 240,000,000 people have died in the name of Mohammed since 624 AD. Seems to me that by now, we'd have a clear color picture as to exactly who the civilized world's enemy is, and what the solution is.

Civilization has a major problem that no one seems willing to address properly. These next few years are going to be interesting! Very interesting!


36 posted on 02/11/2007 1:39:40 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: arthurus

Why is it that we are reluctant to point out what a failure Sharia law and Islam as it is presently dominated are?


37 posted on 02/18/2007 10:18:20 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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