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Vanity: The ultimate harm of betraying traditional American Judeo-Christian values

Posted on 02/05/2007 4:55:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson

When the members of the Republican party betray the sound conservative principles of its founders and its own longstanding party platform and then vote in a leader whose personal beliefs and public record are more in line with those of the degenerate socialist Democrat party, then obviously the Republican party is sliding to the left. When large numbers of the members of a conservative party enthusiastically (you might even say overzealously or militantly) campaign for a social liberal and against sound conservative principles and candidates, then they are pushing the conservative principles, conservative candidates and conservative members out the exit doors.

Should the large number of members militantly campaigning for a socialist liberal for the presidency win out, and the only choices presented to the electorate by the two major political parties both share identical immoral socialist liberal ideologies, and the voter is left with voting for a socialist or a socialist, then obviously the resultant elected government will be a socialist government.

When the Republican Party abandons its conservative principles and abandons its fight against encroaching socialism, then obviously it is no longer a conservative party and we no longer have a major party fighting for traditional American values and against socialism.

When the American people abandon their longstanding traditional conservative family values and instead openly embrace socialism and perverted lifestyles, then America has moved left and is obviously no longer a traditional conservative nation.

When and if the American people abandon their traditional Judeo-Christian morality and traditional American conservative values, and instead opt for corrupt godless liberal/socialist immorality and perversion as the norm, then obviously America will have lost its way.

America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. The Founding Fathers warned us that our style of Republican government would only work for a moral society. When and if we as a nation turn our backs on God and the nation abandons our American traditional Judeo-Christian morals and values, and rampant godless socialism takes over, the America of our Founders ceases to exist.

You can spin it, twist it, deny it, make a million excuses and logical explanations for why electing a social liberal at this time is a good idea, but you cannot deny the simple truth. A social liberal is a liberal and liberals begat liberalism. Liberalism begats socialism. Our nation was founded on the self-evident truth that our unalienable rights come from God. Socialists deny God exists. Socialists say our rights come from men in government robes. What men in government robes give, other men in government robes can take away. Without God we have no unalienable rights. No unalienable rights means no freedom. No freedom means no America.


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KEYWORDS: bankcard; fr; ingodwetrust; moralabsolutes; primaries
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To: Quix

You know, I often think that all this turmoil of the past number of years has alot to do with spiritual warfare. How else can you explain some of things that have been happening?

Christians are hated. Our president hated and a political party and the media rooting for our enemies. Homosexuals admired and respected. Anyone who wants to protect babies villified. People who want to keep aborting babies praised. Even getting cheered and standing ovations for promising to keep on murdering.

You could go on and on. It is all so bizarre.

As Bob Dylan wrote, You gotta serve somebody, It may be the devil or it may be the Lord, But you gotta serve somebody.


121 posted on 02/05/2007 8:33:33 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver

OF COURSE YOU ARE TOTALLY CORRECT.

AND

I believe that fasting and prayer is probably 10-100 times more important than political activism.

But I believe BOTH are very important. We do well to encourage both.

Legs to prayer etc.

And legs to prayer in terms of school board member votes and running; bond issues; referendums etc.

imho.


122 posted on 02/05/2007 8:36:15 PM PST by Quix (WHEN IT COMES TO UFO'S TRY ABOVETOPSECRET.COM TO LEARN A LITTLE 1ST THEN POST)
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To: Beagle8U

Of course, that's a great first step.

However, I think that we have MANY far greater experts hereon who could give a LIST of great tips for having a much more potent impact at such levels than average.


123 posted on 02/05/2007 8:38:58 PM PST by Quix (WHEN IT COMES TO UFO'S TRY ABOVETOPSECRET.COM TO LEARN A LITTLE 1ST THEN POST)
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To: Sundog

Double Amen; the moral of this story: Conservatives (and right leaning people) should NOT give to the Republican Party, they should give DIRECTLY to the Candidates they support (*Starve the "beast" strategy..)! (I think it's a darn good one, and may be our only hope in the policial realm)..


124 posted on 02/05/2007 8:40:09 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: BamaGirl

I wouldn't want to discourage anyone who felt led of God to do that.

HOwever, all things being equal . . .the INGROUP/OUTGROUP STUFF IS FIERCE in the DIMRAT camp. They are VERY effective at insisting and INSURING that only doctrinaire globalists get any position, clout, etc. at all. Shoot they ALMOST do that well in the GOP. The DIMRAT party is deeply intensely and thoroughly, broadly sold out to santanic globalists WHOLESALE.


125 posted on 02/05/2007 8:41:15 PM PST by Quix (WHEN IT COMES TO UFO'S TRY ABOVETOPSECRET.COM TO LEARN A LITTLE 1ST THEN POST)
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To: bd476

Agreed: Wholeheartedly.


126 posted on 02/05/2007 8:41:48 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: Quix

That is only a place to start. You will gain knowledge to move on from there.


127 posted on 02/05/2007 8:42:49 PM PST by Beagle8U (SNICKERS......Its packed with fudge !)
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To: voltaires_zit

We need to return to Reagan ideals/Conservative principles that are A fusion between Traditional Americans (Christians/Social Cons) and (Smaller Govie Libertarian minded conservatives), As reagan himself proved/ I agree since I am one of them: these strands ARE NOT inconsistent..

If we do these, and have a great orator like RR as our standard bearer, then I believe we can "recapture" the majoriy of Americans (EVEN after out modern stint with liberalism, PCish ness, and Compromise).


128 posted on 02/05/2007 8:45:24 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: HaveHadEnough

"Hillary will win. A legitimate third-party candidate will Naderize Rudy and he will lose."

Yep, sure as the sun will rise in the morning.


129 posted on 02/05/2007 8:47:08 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: Beagle8U

Of course. And many would be quite find doing that.

But what I'm trying to get across is that we have soooo much super expertise here, we can do better to help the newbies to such things have more impact from the git go.

IF

Such super experts would map out a smorgesboard of ways to do so.


130 posted on 02/05/2007 8:54:13 PM PST by Quix (WHEN IT COMES TO UFO'S TRY ABOVETOPSECRET.COM TO LEARN A LITTLE 1ST THEN POST)
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To: Jim Robinson
As a matter of both fact and history, your paraphrasing of the Declaration's statement "Our nation was founded on the self-evident truth that our unalienable rights come from God." is both accurate and stops well short of where I think the Founders wanted it to be understood.

Their term was "Creator". That is significant in that they also said that the individual was free to define the Creator as the individual so saw fit.

That elegantly simple selection of words allows Americans to avoid the sectarian strife which the rest of the world suffers from on an all too regular basis.

That word, "Creator", and our right to define it as we wish, is the reason for America's being both the most religious of the Western nations AND the least stressed by sectarian strife.

That held until Islam appeared on American land. Islam is antithetical to America in that it does not accept any belief but the specific sect of Islam which the Muslim happens to believe.

Whereas Americans can accept their neighbor being a different sect of Christian, a Jew, a Mormon, even a Wiccan - all are expected to abide by the Three Founding Documents. And those are largely commentary on the last six of the Ten Commandments.

End result - it is nearly time to play "Cowboys & Muslims".
131 posted on 02/05/2007 8:55:41 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: BamaGirl
"I have a question -- why do we conservatives assume we must have our home in the Republican party?"

You don't, unless you want to have a chance of ever winning anything. The Republican party is the only conservative party that ever wins. If you want it to be more conservative you have to work within the party.

You could try to make the RAT party conservative, but you will be starting with Marxists. Why bother?
132 posted on 02/05/2007 9:00:14 PM PST by Beagle8U (SNICKERS......Its packed with fudge !)
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To: Jim Robinson
Oops. Made a typo there.

Should've been:

Support the conservative party platform. Support the conservative candidates. Do not allow the so-called "socially liberal" conservatives to strip the pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-family, pro-founders, pro-Creator, pro-unalienable rights planks from the platform. Do not allow serious consideration of any pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-second amendment candidate. Just say NO to all that socialist malarkey.

133 posted on 02/05/2007 9:03:22 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

It's not looking good for America. Moral values are in the toilet. Yes there are moral people, but the increase in immorality is growing at a faster rate than moral values, IMO.

There's no quick political solution. The failure of men to be fathers, the courts siding with women in custody cases , cheap addictive drugs in mass quantities, has ruined the values and moral compass of a generation.

Even if welfare were dissolved it would take generations for the family to recover, and we know that's not going to happen. The social welfare institution in this country is so huge it will never die, just continue to grow.

IMO, It would take a national tragedy and period of personal sacrifice with along the scale of WWII to bring this nation back to any sense of morality.


134 posted on 02/05/2007 9:03:47 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: Beagle8U

You could try to make the RAT party conservative, but you will be starting with Marxists. Why bother?
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You're from Michigan, so you know better than I do -- all those union guys who vote Democrat, how many would be more amenable to conservative values than Marxist ones?

And they only vote Democrat because their parents did, and don't realize how wacky the party has become?


135 posted on 02/05/2007 9:04:59 PM PST by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Since it won't by 2008, and if it's Julie Annie vs Rodham, most of us here will hold our noses and vote for Julie, who'll govern like the present POTUS, you can bet, and if he loses, Rodham will govern like the present POTUS, only with more scandals and corruption, and more participation of Jewish incompetents like Donna Sha-la-la and Janet Reno in her cabinet.

HUH?

136 posted on 02/05/2007 9:06:31 PM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: JSDude1

That policy is the one that has me grimace -- every time the RNC calls me they know I was generous in the past.


137 posted on 02/05/2007 9:07:05 PM PST by Sundog (What are we going to do tomorrow, Brain?)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Duncan Hunter: I'm sorry, but Americans (even just conservative Republicans) are not going to nominate someone to lead the party who has no executive experience.

Hunter should have ran for President in 2000. The country would have been better off than it is now, IMO.

138 posted on 02/05/2007 9:11:26 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Fiscal & national security conservatism trumps social conservatism every time)
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To: BamaGirl
"You're from Michigan, so you know better than I do -- all those union guys who vote Democrat, how many would be more amenable to conservative values than Marxist ones? "

About 40% of union members will vote Republican and they do so based on those pesky social issues some want to throw off the platform....God, Guns, and Gays.

The gun issue seems to be a major factor for swinging those voters with abortion and family values 2nd.

The issue of queer marriage/partnerships is a big drag on the RAT party because everyone across party lines will vote in mass to ban that.
139 posted on 02/05/2007 9:18:54 PM PST by Beagle8U (SNICKERS......Its packed with fudge !)
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To: Jim Robinson
Very well said! It will be a miracle to find a true conservative who has the charisma, popularity, and money to win this next election. It is possible, so I won't give up hope yet. Lincoln was a dark horse--unknown, but he was able to beat some very popular men. God may interfere with Hillary's plan--we never know.
140 posted on 02/05/2007 9:19:44 PM PST by savagesusie
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