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BREAKING: Giuliani Files Statement for Candidacy for President

Posted on 02/05/2007 11:06:50 AM PST by BladeLWS

Breaking on Fox News. Giuliani Files Statement of Candidacy for President

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To: wagglebee
I just love that chart you came up with!!!

Thank you.

241 posted on 02/05/2007 12:47:26 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Prokopton
Personally, I feel that if we give up the sovereignty of our Country and make 20 million new poor, uneducated, socialism loving, Democrat voters by a Rudy endorsed amnesty, we eventually won't have much of a Country to protect from the terrorists. We will always have another enemy to fight but amnesty to illegals will affect our Country forever, long past when any current Supreme Court Justice has influence.

Won't be an issue, you'll have a Bush endorsed amnesty by the end of the year.

Stopping the next wave of illegals will be an issue, and yes, our enemies will still be on the attack.

My guess we'll still have a pretty good country, worth protecting, post amnesty. We'll probably survive either President Hillary or President Obama as we did President Carter. But if Rudy is the option in the general, I'll vote for him.

242 posted on 02/05/2007 12:47:30 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: MichiganConservative

"Oh, hell, dude. This is a foregone conclusion. America's dead. Enjoy the show."

America's only dead when I say it's dead! I'll be part of the show . :)


243 posted on 02/05/2007 12:47:45 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: RichardW

Hillary would no doubt like us to be "more European" ... perhaps even "more French".


244 posted on 02/05/2007 12:48:18 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: EGPWS

The razts want electablity, that is why they went with Kerry. They will see Hitlary as unelectable and dump her.


245 posted on 02/05/2007 12:48:39 PM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Hydroshock
I do not belive that Rino Rudy will appoint conservative Judges. He has a history of appoint liberals to positions. Actions speak louder then words.

If he wins in the primaries, you'll have the option of voting for a Dem.

246 posted on 02/05/2007 12:48:47 PM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: Howlin
Loser.

Wow, that was well-reasoned. HAHAHAHA

Let me know when the federal budget shrinks, ok? Or maybe when the federal government gives up some of the freedoms it's taken from people over the course of the last 90 years or so. Let me know when I can drive a car that isn't constructed to meet arbitrary federal environmental regulations, ok?

247 posted on 02/05/2007 12:49:31 PM PST by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, then don't rape anyone. Don't force your morals on others!)
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To: BladeLWS
On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.



The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

A More Charismatic Version of Arlen Specter

Rudy Giuliani may have many fine qualities, but he is not a conservative, nor has he always been a loyal Republican.

For example, back in the mid-nineties, when he was actually running New York City, Rudy could have fairly been said to have governed as a moderate at best and to the left-of-center at worst:

"The National Journal’s rating system put him at 56 percent conservative and 44 percent liberal on economic issues in 1996 and assessed him as liberal by 59 to 40 percent in looking at his social issues votes."

The New York Observer also had a very interesting selection of quotes from and about Rudy over the years that may give his conservative supporters more than a little pause. Here are a few of those quotations:

Some ask, How can the Liberal Party support a candidate who disagrees with the Liberal Party position on so many gut issues? But when the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion. -- N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of R. Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

Mr. Rockefeller represented "a tradition in the Republican Party I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." -- Rudy Giuliani, New York Times, July 9, 1992

What kind of Republican? Is [Giuliani], for instance, a Reagan Republican? [Giuliani] pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." -- Village Voice, January 24, 1989

"Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, [Giuliani] told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." The Daily News quoted [Giuliani] as saying that March: "Whether you talk about President Clinton, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group."

Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, he explained: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats." -- Rudy - An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett, Page 459

"From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, 'Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo." -- Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City, Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party." -- Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S., Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

Does this really sound like the sort of candidate we want as a standard bearer for the Republican Party?

He Can't Keep His Pants Up

There has only been one man who has ever made it to the White House after being divorced and that was Ronald Reagan, who had been married to Nancy for more than 25 years before his campaign in 1980. Rudy, on the other hand, is on his third wife.

Furthermore, his second divorce from Donna Hanover was extremely ugly. Hanover accused Rudy of "open and notorious adultery." She also claimed Rudy had an affair with a staffer, Christyne Lategano-Nicholas, which both Giuliani and Lategano-Nicholas denied. However, Rudy has acknowledged that he started seeing his current wife, Judith Nathan, before his divorce from Hanover was finalized in 2002.

Given how recent this divorce was, Rudy's adultery, and the fact that he married, "the other woman," the press can be expected to cover Rudy's marriage to Hanover exhaustively if he gets the nomination and needless to say, Rudy, quite deservedly, will not come off very well.

Does He Have The Judgment To Be President?

As you've just seen, Rudy hasn't necessarily made the best decisions in his personal life. Unfortunately, the Bernard Kerik incident shows that Giuliani's poor judgment can spill over into political matters as well.

Rudy recommended his friend and business partner, Bernard Kerik, for the position of Homeland Security Secretary and the Bush administration, perhaps because Rudy vouched for him, didn't do a very thorough job of vetting him.

Soon after Kerik's nomination became public, allegations surfaced that Kerik was having two simultaneous affairs, had ties to a construction company "linked to the mob," and had an illegal alien nanny whose taxes hadn't been paid. Under fire from the press, Kerik withdrew his name from consideration for the Homeland Security position and the Bush administration was left with egg on its face for putting up such a scandal ridden nominee.

While the whole debacle was embarrassing for the Bush Administration, it raised even more serious questions about Rudy. After all, if Bernard Kerik is the sort of person Rudy sees as an appropriate friend, business partner, and nominee to run the Homeland Security Department, it makes you wonder what kind of people he is surrounding himself with on a day to day basis.

How Electable Is Rudy Giuliani Really?

One of the biggest selling points for Rudy Giuliani is supposed to be that he's "electable" because a lot of independents and Democrats will vote for him. The problem with that sort of thinking is that if he becomes the Republican nominee, the very liberal mainstream media will spend nine months relentlessly savaging him in an effort to help the Democrats. Because of that, Giuliani's sky high polling numbers with non-Republicans are 100% guaranteed to drop significantly before election time rolls around in 2008.

That is not necessarily a problem; after all the mainstream media is always against the Republican nominee, if -- and this is a big "if" -- the GOP nominee has strong support from the Republican base.

The big problem Rudy has is that he isn't going to be able to generate that kind of support. For one thing, as a candidate, he offers almost nothing to social conservatives, without whom a victory for George Bush in 2004 wouldn't have been possible. If the choice in 2008 comes down to a Democrat and a pro-abortion, soft on gay marriage, left-of-center candidate on social issues -- like Rudy -- you can be sure that millions of "moral values voters" will simply stay home and cost the GOP the election.

The other issue is in the South. George Bush swept every Southern state in 2000 and 2004, which is quite an impressive feat when you consider that the Democrats had Southerner Al Gore at the top of the ticket in 2000 and John Edwards as the veep in 2004. Unfortunately, a pro-abortion, soft on gay marriage, pro-gun control RINO from New York City just isn't going to be able to repeat that performance. Even against a carpetbagger like Hillary Clinton, it's entirely likely that you'll see at least 2 or 3 states in the South turn from red to blue if Rudy Giuliani is the nominee.

Also, the reason why George Bush's approval numbers have been mired in the high thirties/low forties of late is because he has lost a significant amount of Republican support, primarily because his domestic policies aren't considered conservative enough. Since that's the case, running a candidate who is several steps to Bush's left on domestic policy certainly doesn't seem like a great way to unite the base again.

Conclusion

Despite all of his charisma and the wonderful leadership he showed after 9/11, Rudy Giuliani is not a Reagan Republican. To the contrary, Giuliani is another Christie Todd Whitman, another Arlen Specter, another Olympia Snowe. He's a throwback to the "bad old days" before Reagan, when the GOP was run by moderate Country Club Republicans who considered conservatives to be extremists. Trying to revive that failed strategy again is likely to lead to a Democratic President in 2008 and numerous setbacks for the Republican Party.

248 posted on 02/05/2007 12:49:50 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: SJackson

If Rino Rudy wins the primaries, I will go third party.


249 posted on 02/05/2007 12:50:41 PM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: BladeLWS
What was the party affiliation stated in his doicumentation. On another thread, it said that he had left his party affiliation "blank" so that he could run as an independent , if he so chose.

That alone is enough to put him beyond the pale.

New York City politics will not work nationally. It looks like he wants to fly WITH a parachute as a possible independent, so he can split the vote if he is not on the Pubbie ticket.Typical New York mayoral politics. If Rudi can't commit, then why give a $hit?

250 posted on 02/05/2007 12:51:01 PM PST by Candor7 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: SJackson
"Stopping the next wave of illegals will be an issue, and yes, our enemies will still be on the attack."

With 20 million new Hispanic, Democrat voters, there will be no attempt to stop the "next wave". Our enemies will no longer need to attack from outside.
251 posted on 02/05/2007 12:51:37 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: SJackson

Amnesty to the hordes of illegal aliens - all of them criminals - will cause irreversible harm to this country both directly and indirectly on numerous levels and will lead to further invasions. If you believe these hordes with their high rates of violent crimes and rejection of family values will improve our gene pool and our way of life, you are greatly mistaken.


252 posted on 02/05/2007 12:52:43 PM PST by Dante3
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To: dandelion

"Stay Out The Clintons" as Jesse would say. ;)


253 posted on 02/05/2007 12:52:59 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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254 posted on 02/05/2007 12:53:30 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: Howlin; areafiftyone
But also had a comment about conservatives never supporting a winner. See my corrected comment at the end of this post.

I went back and listened to Rush's commentary at the start of the third hour (paraphrased following listening to my replay of his show):

Rudy's a smart cookie. Fox running a poll with 83 or 87% Republicans comfortable with him in the White House. Has problems with conservatives on the social side. [elaborates]. But when you start polling him on judges, he's a strict constructionist; he's out there saying this, likes Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and that will count for quite a bit. Can fix the abortion issue by saying that this is something not to be decided by the courts, but by the people at the state level.

Rudy has potential, particularly that we will still be at war in '08 with the Democrats being Democrats and saying like Hillary "I will get us out of Iraq". Someone like Rudy has a huge advantage with competence during a crisis and can overcome some shortcomings that conservatives have with him. Potentially good on economics. A lot of strategy going on with him in preparation for the primaries.

Rush -- saying still not revved up because its so early. But to be more specific, there's no Reagan out there. By that means there's no one out there who can lead a conservative movement. There was only one Reagan. doesn't see someone who can lead a conservative movement in our ranks. Not a total person -- some have good points but not a total package. It's too early for this to truly, truly matter. Some will make gaffes to get them out of the race. Second tier people may come up and change everything. Following polling data right now and drawing a substantive conclusion is ridiculous. Says if he starts talking about the presidential race for a substantial time each day, his audience is going to get so sick of it. Further, says not going to back a loser. Then again they may pick someone tough to support.

Talks about Brownback -- up to these guys to get noticed. He's not going to talk them up.

Correction to my earlier statement: Rush was quoting Michael Duffy of Time magazine talking to Chris Matthews saying "conservatives only support losers". Then Rush saying what was John Kerry? Jimmy carter? They weren't winners. And the entire bunch of Dem candidates looks like losers.

255 posted on 02/05/2007 12:53:35 PM PST by CedarDave (California wants to ban light bulbs. If passed they will never have a bright idea.)
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To: Dante3

Maybe we could give the illegals their own part of the empire if they promise to leave us alone.


256 posted on 02/05/2007 12:54:29 PM PST by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, then don't rape anyone. Don't force your morals on others!)
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To: Hydroshock
Rudy does know the enemy:

In Iraq, as in much of the region, nearly half of all married couples are first or second cousins to each other. A 1986 study of 4,500 married hospital patients and staff in Baghdad found that 46% were wed to a first or second cousin, while a smaller 1989 survey found 53% were "consanguineously" married.

The most prominent example of an Iraqi first cousin marriage is that of Saddam Hussein and his first wife Sajida.

257 posted on 02/05/2007 12:55:47 PM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: Lucky9teen



Not the case if you go over and look at the postings at DU. Many are saying they'll hold their nose and vote for her.

Some say outright that they like her. But the Democrats look like they're closing ranks around their candidate whereas we're duking it out.


258 posted on 02/05/2007 12:56:09 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: MittFan08; katieanna; PhiKapMom

See expansion of my comments at #255


259 posted on 02/05/2007 12:56:22 PM PST by CedarDave (California wants to ban light bulbs. If passed they will never have a bright idea.)
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To: BladeLWS

I wonder how long it will take the Klinton war machine to start up and totally distroy Rudy????


They have been trying with Obama....mcpain needs no help...anyone else that gets in their way, they will destroy them just like they did when they were in the WH....are we going to put up with 8 more years of a Klinton knowing what and who they are?????


260 posted on 02/05/2007 12:56:36 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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