Achieving Socially Conservative Ideals Through Liberal Means: Making The Case for Rudy (2008)

Red State ^ | February 4, 2007 | D.M. Eaton

[Clintonfatigued]

For this reason, contrary to conventional wisdom, a victory by Rudy Giuliani would strengthen even the socially conservative agenda in the long run. As the new Fox Dynamics Poll shows, 65 percent of Americans would be “comfortable” with a Rudy Giuliani administration. Being comfortable is a major step in the right direction. Americans might actually listen to him when gives the State of the Union (without a teleprompter no less, as he usually speaks with note cards or does so extemporaneously). A Giuliani administration that would focus on fighting the Islamic Extremists, reducing the size and scope of government, handling crisis, and putting strict constructionists on the bench who will interpret the law properly will draw more support from more people in the short term. This will translate to more understanding of conservative policies on other matters because individuals will have more patience to read the conservative ramblings of columnists and pundits. In the long run, as a result this will turn into more votes. As Winston Churchill is often quoted, "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain"...

Due to the challenges facing this country, this election cycle we Republicans need to nominate someone with an actual record of accomplishment of tackling seemingly intractable problems. As George Will said on “This Week,” “His eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly." Giuliani, more than any other candidate (Romney comes the closest) has the record of taking on major institutions and reforming them.

[CobaltBlue]

You're a big silly.

I take it you actually have no idea about what Massachusetts law really provided (people paid parish taxes, not state taxes, directly to their parish church, not the state).

Or maybe you're too silly to admit that this isn't state taxation of religion, much less five states using taxation to support religion.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1779114/posts?page=113#113

You're cornered!

[ReleaseTheHounds]

I like Newt but I think he's unelectable in either spot. Make him Rudy's Karl Rove -- that's where Newt can shine: the idea guy and the guy who can help translate things into political nuggets.

As for Rudy: he's clearly the most able "leader" in the field. He's proven his leadership ability in the massive turnaround of NYC and then the personal fortitude and bravery around 9-11. Imagine a president who could give a press conference every day without worry that he'll screw it up or flub a talking point.

While I would never ever ever "hope" for this: with the Dems swinging to retreat, imagine if there is another terrorist attack on our soil between now and election 2008. Shrillery and the rest would be up the creek without a paddle -- and people would be begging for a strong leader to take over the leadership RESPONSILITIES on the War on Terror that has the Dems so terrified at the prospect.

[Dad yer funny]

.. OH! .. I don't mention him in certain circles , I've been derided from both sides

.. , I've been here through Koch , Dinkins {{OMG!!!} , and R*d* [ see , not mentioning him ]

I'd have to say his Achilles' heel is getting baited into quarrels that make him appear willing to jump into something FEET FIRST on the advice of someone he probably trusts ,..

but that person/group could easily be given the old "yes , I'm looking into that"

case in point: the Virgin Mary elephant dung painting by Chris Ofili made R*d* look silly , the painting was gorgeous { yes , I got right up close , in the gallery } and if he had more astute counsel , he wouldn't have stepped in that SH*T , and then tracked it all over the place

[ken5050]

We are going to learn a lot about Bernie Kerrick in the coming months...

[ken5050]

People don't vote for the VP....but Newt on the ticket..especially if Rudy announces well before the convention that he ask asked Newt, and Newt has accepted, will energize the social conservative base in the party.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Also had to fight the New York Port Authority's indifference every step of the way. Including it's order on Tower II office speakers to stay put after Tower I was hit

RICK RESCORLA - - he was a real hero.

Yet, even there in New York City, not a word about the outright treason and security leaks coming from the news media by those who would have us believe Giuliani is a hero.

[jammer]

Rockefeller types who want a second Libertarian Party

I'm with you all the way, in spades, except for this statement. Rockefeller was as far from Libertarian as one could get in the Republican party.

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

I AGREE. My philosophy is with a libertarian bent, and while I don't like his gun control positions, I like Rudy's leadership and strong positions on defense, law and order and fiscal responsibility.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Here, spam this!

He [Rudy] was asked about abortion and guns at the FRW event. On the former, he said he was personally opposed to the procedure but didn’t want to go down the road of imprisoning women who have an abortion. On the latter, he said he viewed gun rights as a matter best left for states to decide.

As mayor, Rudy did what he had to do to achieve safety and security in a city that was filled with dangerous criminals and illegal weapons. Rudy's stewardship has unfortunately been twisted into a false anti-Second Amendment stance by opponents of the Mayor. But now we're seeing Rudy's true position on the issue. Rudy's belief that no new federal gun laws are needed is a mainstream conservative position shared by most Republicans. Just one more piece of evidence that Rudy isn't just a Republican, but a conservative.

On the Federal judiciary I would want judges who are strict constructionists because I am. I’m a lawyer. I’ve argued cases in the Supreme Court. I’ve argued cases in the Court of Appeals in different parts of the country. I have a very, very strong view that for this country to work, for our freedoms to be protected, judges have to interpret not invent the Constitution. Otherwise you end up, when judges invent the constitution, with your liberties being hurt. Because legislatures get to make those decisions and the legislature in South Carolina might make that decision one way and the legislature in California a different one. And that’s part of our freedom and when that’s taken away from you that’s terrible. President Bush has the great model because I think as the President he did appoint some really good ones and both of them are former colleagues of mine - Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito. Justice Scalia is a former colleague of mine. Somebody that … I think Chief Justice Roberts is a great chief justice and he’s young and he can have a long career and that’s probably the reason the President and Vice President chose him. I think those are the kinds of justices I would appoint – Scalia, Alito and Roberts. If you can find anybody as good as that, you are very, very fortunate. link

[narses]

While he was the “Republican Mayor” of New York City he appointed more than 60 men and women to the Civil, Criminal, and Family Court benchs. In all of those judicial appointment not one of them was a Republican.

All of his judical appointments were either registered Liberals or registered Democrats. As the “Republican Mayor” he had appointment power over more than 70 full commissioners in more than 50 City agencies, yet at no time during his administration did REPUBLICANS account for more than 10% of those appointments.

He even appointed Chuck Schumers wife as the City’s Department of Transportation Commissioner.


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[narses]

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it.
Rudy Giuliani

[Victoria Delsoul]

You are a broken record. LOL, enjoy yourself.

[Convert]

keep it up narses

[Convert]

Please be realistic

[Rembrandt]

"That's what I'm worried about. Some Republicans like Rudy because of his charisma.

Besides being a liberal in just about every way, Rudy will NOT be strong on TERRORISM, because of his pro-ILLEGAL immigration stance:

"....But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS...."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16762

If you run a liberal against a liberal, you will end up with a liberal."
~~~
Therefore, you're going to do what you did in 2006 and choose not to vote, thereby passively electing Hillary! What great principles you have!

You can keep your principles, I'll take mine.

[Sun]

"Therefore, you're going to do what you did in 2006 and choose not to vote, thereby passively electing Hillary! What great principles you have!

You can keep your principles, I'll take mine."

But I DID vote in 2006, not only in the general election, but in the PRIMARIES.

And I wrote letters to editors. Your way is easier, lie down and die and give up, but my principles say FIGHT for what you believe.

You can panic! and settle for a liberal, but I will continue to FIGHT for a CONSERVATIVE and practice what I preach in my tagline.

[trisham]

Guiliani is not, and never will be a conservative. We had best get out and vote in the primaries if we don't want him or his ilk as President, or worse. Anyone who claims the right thing to do is sit out 2008 is worse than a fool.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you for this truly eye-opening information.

I wouldn't vote for Rudy under any circumstances. Know why? Because with a liberal Dem in the White House, you at least have a teeth-bared, aggressive opposition party to limit his (or her) power --- but with a liberal Republican, there's no opposition party at all.

[genefromjersey]

I must say I agree with your assessment of Guiliani. He is and remains a "statist"-pretty much like NY's previous mayors. The fact he is a Republican is almost incidental.

He has also been "tarnished" to some degree by the scandal surrounding his former Police Commissioner,Bernie Kerik: something the MSM would tear him apart on.His ex-wife would probably drool at the chance of saying something nasty about him as well...and would be a "first stop" for the MSM.

On the plus side, he's not Hillary. He is also more than equal to the Media ( one of the reasons they have always hated him) , and has a history of "treeing" reporters who get too far out of hand (Donald Rumsfield style).

[Little Ray]

George Will is pro-gun control and, IIRC, has argued for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.