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Vanity: Questions regarding the Republican Platform, is it pro-life, pro-family?

Posted on 02/04/2007 1:31:12 AM PST by Jim Robinson

I've long assumed that the Republican Party platform included pro-life, pro-family and pro 1st and 2nd amendment planks. Is this true or false? Or is the platform amended each election cycle to conform to the positions of the top polling potential presidential nominee (ie, the one with the most money or star billing and the MSM eye)?

If these planks are based on longstanding, sound conservative principles and are sincerely respected and upheld by the majority of the members, then I'd like to propose a motion that before being seriously considered by the official party powers that be, prospective nominees for the office of President of the United States must in the least demonstrate a solid history of being pro-life, pro-family and pro 1st and 2nd amendments, in addition to a solid history of abiding by and fighting for the other basic Republican planks, ie, national security, national defense, limited government, conservative spending, lower taxes, strict constructionist judges, local control of health, education and welfare, etc, etc.

Or is it too much to ask of the politician asking for our support for the highest office in the land to respect and abide by conservative principles and the basic planks of the party platform?

Or is there a movement underfoot to remove these planks from the platform?


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To: My2Cents
And the joke will be on NARAL when Pres. Giuliani appoints strong orginalists to the federal courts.

Or, as is more likely, the joke will be on Republicans who are dumb enough to believe such tripe.

121 posted on 02/04/2007 11:34:26 AM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Peach

Who will you vote for if Giuliani runs as an independent?


122 posted on 02/04/2007 11:34:30 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cgk

Me too. Because if I can't trust them to care about Life which seems to me the foundation of Freedom, I'm not sure I can trust them to understand the VALUE of life in fighting the War on Terror against those who hold life as something to be assimilated or destroyed.
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I agree with you 100% on this.




123 posted on 02/04/2007 11:34:31 AM PST by justche (When moderators aren't anonymous and ARE accountable, I'll consider donating again.)
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To: cgk

Rudy has said he is a strict constructionist. He said it some time ago and he said it here in SC in the last day or two.

Just Google Rudy+strict constructionist or Rudy+South Carolina.


124 posted on 02/04/2007 11:35:09 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: airborne
I hope you are wrong too, but alas I have seen the same thing. It is truly unbecoming of a Freeper to use the liberal talking points and key words, toward other Freepers. But I have seen it, and so have a lot of others. We do not "hate" any of the candidates, and there for are not "insert name" haters. That is a tactic used constantly on the left, and is their "game" not ours.

I too pray, we can get a true conservative elected. Some here choose rather, to have a candidate is strong on security, but would not represent conservatives on anything else. Security is important, extremely so! But it goes hand in hand with other issues, and I haven't given up that we cannot find a candidate who sees things just that way. No matter what the drive by media tells us. I refuse to allow them to pick our candidates.
125 posted on 02/04/2007 11:37:06 AM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: My2Cents
“I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. - Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999
126 posted on 02/04/2007 11:37:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Calpernia
Is it too much to ask for us to get through some primaries and debates before asking people who they'll vote for? And what darned business is it of yours, anyway?

I've stated repeatedly on various Rudy and Mitt threads that I like three candidates, but I'm darned if I'm going to commit to you or anyone without seeing how these candidates handle themselves in the public arena. Sheesh.
127 posted on 02/04/2007 11:38:01 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: veronica; wagglebee; Jim Robinson

Veronica asks what have the Republican Presidents done to fight abortion? They've been fighting a long war with many battles against an enemy that's been fortifying itself since Roosevelt inflated the Supreme Court.

Can you imagine what would have happened if the British had fired Winston Churchill after Dunkirk or cut and run after D-Day? The election in 2006 is when Republican voters cut and run on judicial reform. Admittedly - the voters stayed home because they lost confidence that the Republicans were ever going to fight for our causes.

Unfortunately, we keep running up against the William Wayne Justices and Stephen Reinhardts in the District courts, and we get bombed with Breyer, Ginsberg, Stevens and O'Conner, as well as the lawyers and judges they taught and mentored.


In the last 20 years, Republican Presidents and the stronger National Party members have definitely raised the debate to one of "prolife" rather than "antiabortion."

We finally got the ban on partial-birth abortion passed and signed - and the education that resulted from the debate "changed hearts and minds."

The Prenatal Protection Act ("Connors and Lacy's law) was almost easy in contrast - and it's standing in Texas - more hearts and minds changed.

We have held the line on funding for destructive stem cell research while encouraging non-destructive research and umbilical cord blood banking. If the President had not made his wise, Solomon-splits-the-baby decision in 2001, I'm convinced that the backlash would have forced more unethical research in the country, faster.


128 posted on 02/04/2007 11:38:17 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Peach

Strict construction (narrow construction) n. interpreting the Constitution based on a literal and narrow definition of the language without reference to the differences in conditions when the Constitution was written and modern conditions, inventions, and societal changes.

By contrast "broad construction" looks to what someone thinks was the "intent" of the framers' language and expands and interprets the language extensively to meet current standards of human conduct and complexity of society.


129 posted on 02/04/2007 11:38:33 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: My2Cents
If Rudy has formally come out in favor of partial birth abortion, I'd like to see that comment, and then he needs to be confronted with it when and if he announces for President.

See my post above.

Are you going to do the confronting?

130 posted on 02/04/2007 11:39:29 AM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Peach

The bankruptcy of conservative leadership in the nation (by that, I mean the complete vacuum of leadership since Ronald Reagan left office) has resulted in many conservatives gravitating back to some of their primeval instincts -- paranoia and reactionary impulses. Speaking very personally, I've been so discouraged by what I see of contemporary organized Christianity in America today that I simply now call myself a "follower of Jesus," choosing not to align myself with any denomination or theology. It's getting to the point where I may have to disassociate myself from any man-conceived political ideology as well. The further we drift from the Reagan era, the more bizaare conservatism seems to become.


131 posted on 02/04/2007 11:39:36 AM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: airborne

Oh that's just hooey. We've been told for years we WANT a strict constructionist on the benches and in the presidency and now that Rudy has been saying that, ya'll want to change what strict constructionist really means.


132 posted on 02/04/2007 11:40:01 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

I thought most of the candidates have been in the public arena. Hence the opposition here at FR.


133 posted on 02/04/2007 11:40:14 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Yes, I will. And if Rudy's positions turn out to be not quite the way they were characterized by certain Freepers, will you consider supporting him, particularly over Hillary?


134 posted on 02/04/2007 11:41:11 AM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: Calpernia

In the public arena for the presidency? Come on; quit playing word games.

How many people in the mid-east have ever even seen Mitt Romney until the last few week. And people STILL don't even know what Hunter looks like.

For crying out loud.


135 posted on 02/04/2007 11:41:17 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Rino Rudy has a long history of appointing liberals to positions. I think he would do the same for the courts.


136 posted on 02/04/2007 11:41:23 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"If these planks are based on longstanding, sound conservative principles and are sincerely respected and upheld by the majority of the members,"

I have not necessarily believed that the majority of Republicans EVER supported/support the conservative Republican platform and have been amazed it is so conservative. Even if many Republican officeholders do not support the platform while in office, I would prefer to see it remain the same. It is a worthy goal we can all strive toward by running and electing conservatives in office who WILL uphold it. Until we can get more of those kinds of conservatives to run, we will at times have to elect some candidates who won't live up to it.

137 posted on 02/04/2007 11:41:48 AM PST by TAdams8591
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To: gidget7

Why do you find it impossible to have the above, AND the rest as well?

We were extremely lucky to have this with Reagan. Sure I wish we could have again but it's not reality at this time. This candidate in this time in history would be un-electable and won't have half as much as Reagan's charisma or oratory skills. I suppose we can run this dream candidate and watch him loose. I for one do not want a liberal President on every single issue come January 2009.

I am looking forward to Rudy in the GOP primary debates. Lets get there and then decide. If anything he will assist the other candidates at that time and make them answer tough questions. There is no perfect candidate.


138 posted on 02/04/2007 11:41:57 AM PST by alisasny (Cynthia McKinny..INTERNATIONAL BLACK FEMALE CONGRESSPERSON OF MYSTERY)
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To: My2Cents

And yet Reagan gave us two lousy SC judges. I agree with the poster upthread that we're not going to get rid of abortion through any politician or Court.

It's going to be through changing the hearts and minds of people.

Women my age are becoming grandmothers for the first time and seeing the new ultrasound technology of their grandchildren and they're realizing, it's not a blob.


139 posted on 02/04/2007 11:42:53 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I'm saying the federal courts are all-important on the social issues we say we're interested in. What do you think is all important? Standing on top of a building and beating your chest?


140 posted on 02/04/2007 11:42:57 AM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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