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Health officials warn of new HIV threat found in King County (Seattle)
The Seattle Times ^ | Feb. 2, 2007 | Warren King

Posted on 02/03/2007 6:48:43 PM PST by FairOpinion

Four men in King County have been diagnosed with a strain of HIV that is extremely hard to treat, and health officials are concerned it could spread further.

At least two types of HIV drugs don't work against the strain, and another type has limited effectiveness, officials from Public Health — Seattle & King County said Thursday.

"It's conceivable there can be more infections, and the gay community is at highest risk," said Dr. Bob Wood, the HIV/AIDS program director for Public Health.

All the men were diagnosed with the strain as soon as they tested positive for the virus — unlike other HIV patients who develop drug resistance over time, often from taking medications inconsistently, Wood said. But there is no evidence the strain is rapidly spreading.

The four known cases were found over the course of more than a year. These were the only such cases reported in the state.

Wood said all of the infected men are gay and have had multiple partners, most anonymous. They also used methamphetamine, which tends to increase sexual activity.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aids; health; hiv; hivaids; homosexual; homosexuallegacy; multiplepartners; nocondom; unsafesex
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To: ndt
There have been a couple cases of people trying to infect others but it is rare and surprise it's already a crime.

Those are only the ones the MSM care to report about. You apparently are not aware that there is a whole cult of gay men who take pride in their HIV status and are thrilled to pass it along. Please don't be so naive.

81 posted on 02/03/2007 9:12:42 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Myrddin
Then try bringing your solution to leaders in world governments. Even the worst dictators considerer your suggestion barbaric and sick.

BS.

Then show me where in the world people with HIV are being quarantined in camps.

You can't.

82 posted on 02/03/2007 9:15:44 PM PST by Jorge
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To: FairOpinion

its not the sex, its the meth that is spreading this disease...SPREAD THE WORD.....


83 posted on 02/03/2007 9:17:00 PM PST by cherry
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To: WorkingClassFilth
This tends to be a pretty much self-correcting problem.

It would be if the gay, drug using community didn't have so much control of the public coffers to force the rest of us to subsidize their lifestyles.

84 posted on 02/03/2007 9:17:48 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
"Those are only the ones the MSM care to report about. "

Ok, please post information on a few of the ones not covered.

"You apparently are not aware that there is a whole cult of gay men who take pride in their HIV status and are thrilled to pass it along. Please don't be so naive."

Dude, put the pipe down. Seriously. Or better yet.... If you have any evidence what so ever other than the ramblings of you power mad genocidal homosexual fantasies, please post it.
85 posted on 02/03/2007 9:18:00 PM PST by ndt
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To: ndt
I don't think TB is easily spread....you would have to be in a room with a coughing, hacking TB person and actually spend quite a bit of time in that room for you to become infected.....

HIV however, can be spread by one drop of blood to an open cut.....IMO of course, and I could be wrong...

86 posted on 02/03/2007 9:19:29 PM PST by cherry
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To: ndt
Thats the difference between irresponsible dangerous behavior and criminal intent.

And what's the difference between these two for the person who is subsequently infected? I'd humbly suggest that "almost nothing" is the word you're looking for.

Knowingly spreading it is a criminal offense.

What is your definition of "knowingly"? Now that these 4 men know that they have this strain, should they subsequently have sex with someone and infect that person are they "knowingly" spreading it?

87 posted on 02/03/2007 9:21:41 PM PST by the808bass
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To: cherry
"I don't think TB is easily spread"

Then I recommend you avoid third world countries.

"HIV however, can be spread by one drop of blood to an open cut"

And how often does that happen to you during your day to day travels? As opposed to inhaling spittle from total strangers which you do pretty much every time you go outside.

BTW, I really hope you were joking about the "meth causes aids" thing. I have to ask because there is a little movement that actually believes that, despite all evidence to the contrary.
88 posted on 02/03/2007 9:23:42 PM PST by ndt
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To: Myrddin
For someone deliberately infecting someone else with the intent to do bodily harm, treat it as the criminal assault that it is. But quarantining is meant for highly contagious diseases, not lifestyle choices.

Do you propose quarantining EVERYBODY who is HIV positive, even if they are not actively going around deliberately infecting others?

89 posted on 02/03/2007 9:28:51 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Myrddin
Permitting people with incurable, communicable diseases to continue to mingle with uninfected individuals is sick and barbaric.

Yeah, but AIDS is not spread like those other diseases. You don't want to catch it? Don't engage in risky behavior. It's that simple.

Other airborne pathogens are a different story.

90 posted on 02/03/2007 9:31:47 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; ndt

Here is an example of where several lives could have been saved. Locking him up afterwards doesn't help his victims.


HIV: Criminal Intent

http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0448/041201_news_hiv.php


Anthony Whitfield was recently convicted in Olympia in one of the nation's worst HIV assault cases. But his prosecution raises serious questions about who is being charged with spreading the AIDS virus and reveals the problems of trying to police private behavior for the public good.

Almost three weeks from now in Olympia, on Tuesday, Dec. 21, Anthony Whitfield, 32, will be sentenced on 17 counts of first-degree assault, the most for anyone in recent state history. His crime: having unprotected sex with 17 different women while knowing he was HIV-positive. Whitfield, an unemployed methamphetamine addict, spent the last several years bouncing around among girlfriends, marrying one, having children with two others, maintaining multiple "long-term" relationships, and having a slew of shorter ones. Though he was informed he was HIV-positive in 1992, he never told his partners, in some instances outright lied about his condition, and often refused to wear condoms. Five of the women have since tested positive for HIV, and one has AIDS. After a two-week trial before a Thurston County judge last month, Whitfield was found guilty on all assault counts.


91 posted on 02/03/2007 9:34:57 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: the808bass
"And what's the difference between these two for the person who is subsequently infected?"

If you knowingly infect someone that is a crime. If you had no idea you were infected you can't be guilty of knowing infecting someone now can you? It's really a simple concept so I'm not sure how you need me to expand on it.

You have likely infected hundreds of people with diseases. Colds, flus measles etc. If you happened to infect and old person who subsequently died from it (quite likely) by your definition you are culpable for his death in a criminal way. That is asinine as we are all guilty of unknowingly passing on disease.

"What is your definition of "knowingly"?"

To do with knowledge.

"Now that these 4 men know that they have this strain, should they subsequently have sex with someone and infect that person are they "knowingly" spreading it?"

Since we are going to dissect it, I would add that it passes into criminal behavior with the infected

1) knows they are infected
2) engages in a behavior that has a high probability of transmitting it to another
3) does not make the other party fully aware of his status
92 posted on 02/03/2007 9:36:38 PM PST by ndt
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From the article I linked in my post 91:

"In Seattle, where the bulk of HIV cases involve gay men, Public Health has issued just seven cease-and-desist orders related to dangerous HIV behavior in the last 10 years, reports Dr. Wood. His agency has never had to take the next step of incarcerating someone or transferring the case to law enforcement because he never heard of those individuals again; he suspects the subjects "either get smart, leave town, or become more clandestine." He can't recall coming across anyone in the Seattle area like Whitfield, who appeared to be the source for multiple HIV infections.

But that may speak more to the difficulty in tracing the labyrinthine paths of gay sex than it does to the actual existence of such perpetrators. As Wood points out, some gay men have so much anonymous sex that it's nearly impossible to track down any particular source of infection. "They don't even know the name [of their partners], let alone the address," he says. "Very few places in the country are able to get very far with gay male contacts." Since months or even years may pass before a person learns of their infection—during which time a gay man may have dozens or hundreds of sex partners—it becomes highly unlikely that they will know who infected them, let alone have any grounds for complaint.

The privacy rules and protections that govern HIV also make it hard to uncover who might be exposing whom. Wood notes that 70 percent of the gay men who get tested at King County clinics do so anonymously. They are only identified by name once they seek treatment. And their partners generally remain unknown to Public Health as well. Even if an HIV-positive man does provide the names of some prior sex partners, those records have to be destroyed, per Washington law, after 90 days. "That's an exceptional feature of the way HIV is handled," says Wood. "With all other STDs [sexually transmitted diseases], partner records are kept indefinitely." Once records are destroyed, obviously, it's impossible to discover if one particular name is showing up regularly on the partner lists of men who become infected."


93 posted on 02/03/2007 9:37:25 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: cherry
I don't think TB is easily spread....you would have to be in a room with a coughing, hacking TB person and actually spend quite a bit of time in that room for you to become infected.....

HIV however, can be spread by one drop of blood to an open cut.....IMO of course, and I could be wrong...

So you think it's easier to get someone else's blood on an open cut on you, than to be coughed on in a crowded room, or supermarket, or train, or airplane? Getting coughed on sounds a lot easier to me. People cough in public all the time. I can't recall the last time I got someone else's blood on an open cut of mine.

94 posted on 02/03/2007 9:39:03 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jorge
Then show me where in the world people with HIV are being quarantined in camps. You can't.

Nobody is willing to do it. Instead, they throw endless piles of money at "research" in hopes that a cure will absolve them of responsibility for a lack of spine. The disease will keep spreading until an effort is made to corral the carriers.

95 posted on 02/03/2007 9:40:10 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: FairOpinion
"Here is an example of where several lives could have been saved. Locking him up afterwards doesn't help his victims. "

OK, there is one (1).

You want to lock up millions because of that guy.

Show me a number that even registers as a fraction of a percent, like .1% of HIV+ people which would be 40,000.

Show me 40,000 cases of people knowingly spreading HIV and maybe, just maybe your idea will start to sound rational.
96 posted on 02/03/2007 9:42:10 PM PST by ndt
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To: metmom
But quarantining is meant for highly contagious diseases, not lifestyle choices.

Having anonymous gay sex with hundreds of other individuals is a lifestyle choice? Bare backing and bug chasing are lifestyle choices? That's a very sick and dangerous "lifestyle". I'm tired of seeing tons of money...much of it stolen from taxpayers...subsidizing the medical treatment of people who choose this deadly "lifestyle".

97 posted on 02/03/2007 9:44:50 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
"Having anonymous gay sex with hundreds of other individuals is a lifestyle choice?"

Unless the one guy tied them up (quite possible) against their will (improbable) then yes, it was a lifestyle choice?

Maybe you think they were just born that way?
98 posted on 02/03/2007 9:49:20 PM PST by ndt
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To: ndt
"Bug Chasing": the Shocking Quest to Become HIV-Positive

Didier: I had to look for a while before I found a way to get HIV. Then, finally, I got the “opportunity” I was hoping for. I read in one of the chat rooms for gays I used to check out that there was going to be a "conversion party" on the weekend. I told them I wanted to go and, after a few e-mails back and forth, I was given the green light.

We agreed to meet at a council flat in south London. The night was cold. The furniture in the flat had been rearranged in order to accommodate the crowd - fourteen muscular gay men in their mid- thirties. A flat screen television, which dominated the room, was playing porno movies. Drinks and snacks were set out in a big coffee table, just as in a regular party. Six frenzied hours of uninterrupted sex, drugs and alcohol. At the end of the night, the crowd began to slowly dwindle. Some left, a few fell asleep on a couch, the master bedroom, or any other suitable corner. But I was in the toilet. Even though the small tiled room was cold, I was sweating because of the cocktail of Ecstasy, cocaine, marijuana and vodka I had taken. As I looked at myself at the mirror, I knew that I had got what I had come for.

Two months later, the doctor in the Saint Mary’s Hospital told me I was HIV-positive.

99 posted on 02/03/2007 9:56:58 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Beagle8U

We'll put it at both ends then.


100 posted on 02/03/2007 10:06:05 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Hagel, Obama, Voinovich and Biden making the world safe for Iranian terrorists.)
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