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Roman Descendants Found In China?
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2-2-2007 | Richard Spencer

Posted on 02/01/2007 6:08:49 PM PST by blam

Roman descendants found in China?

By Richard Spencer in Liqian, north-west China
Last Updated: 1:33am GMT 02/02/2007

Sound and vision: Richard Spencer visits the village of Liqian, China(Click at site)

Residents of a remote Chinese village are hoping that DNA tests will prove one of history's most unlikely legends — that they are descended from Roman legionaries lost in antiquity.

Villager Cai Junnian with his green eyes and ruddy complexion

Scientists have taken blood samples from 93 people living in and around Liqian, a settlement in north-western China on the fringes of the Gobi desert, more than 200 miles from the nearest city.

They are seeking an explanation for the unusual number of local people with western characteristics — green eyes, big noses, and even blonde hair — mixed with traditional Chinese features.

"I really think we are descended from the Romans," said Song Guorong, 48, who with his wavy hair, six-foot frame and strikingly long, hooked nose stands out from his short, round-faced office colleagues.

"There are the residents with these special features, and then there are also historical records about the existence of these people long ago," he said.

Studies claiming that Liqian has Roman ancestry have greatly excited the impoverished county in which it is situated. The village is now overlooked by a pillared portico, in the hope of attracting tourists. A statue at the entrance of the nearby county town, Yongchang, shows a Roman legionary standing next to a Confucian scholar and a Muslim woman, as a symbol of racial harmony.

Even entrepreneurs have caught on: in "Imperial City Entertainment Street" there is a Caesar Karaoke bar.

The town's link with Rome was first suggested by a professor of Chinese history at Oxford in the 1950s. Homer Dubs pulled together stories from the official histories, which said that Liqian was founded by soldiers captured in a war between the Chinese and the Huns in 36BC, and the legend of the missing army of Marcus Crassus, a Roman general.

In 53BC Crassus was defeated disastrously and beheaded by the Parthians, a tribe occupying what is now Iran, putting an end to Rome's eastward expansion.

But stories persisted that 145 Romans were taken captive and wandered the region for years. Prof Dubs theorised that they made their way as a mercenary troop eastwards, which was how a troop "with a fish-scale formation" came to be captured by the Chinese 17 years later.

He said the "fish-scale formation" was a reference to the Roman "tortoise", a phalanx protected by shields on all sides and from above. Gu Jianming, who lives near Liqian, said it had come as a surprise to be told he might be descended from a European imperial army. But then the birth of his daughter was also a surprise. Gu Meina, now six, was born with a shock of blonde hair. "We shaved it off a month after she was born but it just grew back the same colour," he said. "At school they call her 'yellow hair'. Before we were told about the Romans, we had no idea about this. We are poor and have no family temple, so we don't know about our ancestors."

Another resident, Cai Junnian, 38, said his ruddy skin and green eyes meant he was now nicknamed Cai Luoma, or Cai the Roman, by friends. He has become a local celebrity, and was recently flown to the Italian consulate in Shanghai to meet his supposed relatives. The professor's hypothesis took almost 40 years to reach China. During Chairman Mao's rule, ideas of foreign ancestry were not ideologically welcome and the story was suppressed.

Mr Cai said his great-grandfather told him that there were Roman tombs in the Qilian mountains a day and a half's walk away, but he had never connected them to the unusual appearance he inherited from his father. "People thought I had a skin problem," he said.

The blood tests are part of a project undertaken by scientists and historians after local authorities loosened control over genetic research. The results will be published in a scientific journal. But Prof Xie Xiaodong, a geneticist from Lanzhou University, cautioned against over enthusiasm.

"Even if they are descendants of the Roman empire, it doesn't mean they are necessarily from the Roman army," he said. "The empire covered a large area. Many soldiers were recruited locally, so anything is possible."

The issue has split the university's history department, with some scholars supporting the claim, some rejecting it. Prof Wang Shaokuan poured scorn on Prof Dubs's thesis, saying the Huns themselves included Caucasians, Asians and Mongols.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; descendants; dna; emptydna; godsgravesglyphs; homerhdubs; liqian; liquan; mtdna; roman; romanempire; romansinchina; uzbekistan
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1 posted on 02/01/2007 6:08:51 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping

I believe this thread will explain it:

On The Presence Of Non-Chinese At Anyang

2 posted on 02/01/2007 6:10:57 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

3 posted on 02/01/2007 6:11:48 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; monkapotamus; TigerLikesRooster; All

MAN Roman got arounddd


4 posted on 02/01/2007 6:12:59 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: blam

very interesting. Didn't u post another thinng about Rome Empire last week?


5 posted on 02/01/2007 6:15:52 PM PST by PATRICK HENRY USA
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To: blam
The eyes have it! You never know where they will show up. This is my granddaughter, she is Guatemalan.


6 posted on 02/01/2007 6:16:07 PM PST by colorcountry (Remember: Everyone seems normal until you get to know them.)
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To: colorcountry

She has enchanting eyes.


7 posted on 02/01/2007 6:18:48 PM PST by Bahbah (.Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: blam
The Romans traded with both the Chinese and the Indians so they should have left some DNA in those countries. Pliny the Elder writing in his "Natural History" he states in one chapter or book "India, China and the Arabian peninsula take from our Empire 100 million sesterces every year: this is the amount our luxuries and our ladies cost us." And in another "....the various kinds of iron Chinese takes first prize: it is exported to us along with fabrics and skins."
8 posted on 02/01/2007 6:21:04 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: blam

It is not Cai Junnian, but Gaius Junius.


9 posted on 02/01/2007 6:23:45 PM PST by GSlob
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To: colorcountry
"The eyes have it! You never know where they will show up. This is my granddaughter, she is Guatemalan."

Maybe from these people?

10 posted on 02/01/2007 6:24:51 PM PST by blam
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To: GSlob
It is not Cai Junnian, but Gaius Junius.

I like it.

11 posted on 02/01/2007 6:31:20 PM PST by SIDENET (Everybody was kung-fu fighting)
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To: colorcountry

Gorgeous and mesmerizing eyes to say the least … you must be so proud.


12 posted on 02/01/2007 6:33:00 PM PST by doc1019 (If Obama is elected as President, we will become an “Obama Nation”.)
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To: blam

Wow, thanks for the link.

People stop us on the street, just to look at her, she is so stunning. She reminds me of the Afghanastan girl that was on the cover of National Geographic years ago.

I guess it just goes to show you, that we are all more closely related than we would have imagined.


13 posted on 02/01/2007 6:33:11 PM PST by colorcountry (Remember: Everyone seems normal until you get to know them.)
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To: SIDENET

"Gaius Junius"

There go them roamin' Chinese!

(Sorry)


14 posted on 02/01/2007 6:38:58 PM PST by elcid1970 (`)
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To: blam

Cool post. FreeRepublic is a delicious smorgabord for the mind.


15 posted on 02/01/2007 6:39:53 PM PST by isthisnickcool (The only reason you are still conscious is because I don't want to carry you- J. Bauer)
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To: blam
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TS
Okay, so it predates him. It's still the first thing that occured to me.

16 posted on 02/01/2007 6:40:50 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: blam

The little girl with sandy blond hair

Is that Mongolia in the background?

I saw similar distant hillsides in Uzbekistan.


17 posted on 02/01/2007 6:41:42 PM PST by elcid1970 (`)
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To: blam
He kinda looks like Pete Postlethwaite


18 posted on 02/01/2007 6:44:11 PM PST by ndt
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To: colorcountry
She reminds me of the Afghanistan girl that was on the cover of National Geographic years ago.

That was my first thought. She's beautiful (what we can see of her). ;-)

19 posted on 02/01/2007 6:44:45 PM PST by stayathomemom
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To: elcid1970
"Is that Mongolia in the background? "

Yes.

20 posted on 02/01/2007 6:55:23 PM PST by blam
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