Is gun bill for safety or license to shoot? (MN)

Pioneer-Press ^ | 2/1/07 | RACHEL E. STASSEN-BERGER

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

Measure would extend spaces for justified use of deadly force.

Gun-rights advocates say the measure grants law-abiding citizens the right to defend themselves against attackers without being forced to retreat.

Opponents say it grants people the right to "shoot first, ask questions later" and could turn Minnesota into the Wild West.

Welcome to the latest debate about guns. The debate will land in Minnesota today as lawmakers introduce the measure known as the "Castle Doctrine."

The proposal gets its name from the adage that your home is your castle, and it stems from the idea that you should be able to protect your castle with force if necessary. According to the National Rifle Association, which is backing the measure, similar laws have passed in 15 states since 2005.

"This is a homeowner, property-owner defense bill. It's not radical," said Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Good Thunder, the proposal's sponsor in the House.

Cornish, a former police officer, calls the measure the "Stand Your Ground" legislation.

"I think it's easily defensible," he said.

Sen. Pat Pariseau, R-Farmington, is the measure's Senate sponsor.

If the measure becomes law, the state would replace the current law that defines justifiable homicide. Current law says it's justifiable to kill someone in your house if you fear the person will cause you "great bodily harm or death," or to prevent a felony.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

Personally, I don't think this stands a snowball's chance in this state......

[Egon]

Opponents say it grants people the right to "shoot first, ask questions later" and could turn Minnesota into the Wild West.

That's exactly what they said about the relaxed CC regulations. ...and nothing came to pass.

How many times can they be blatantly proved wrong without showing at least a little embarrassment?

[Dan(9698)]

The murder rate in the old "wild west" was only a fraction of what it is in the east now.

It is also only a fraction now.

I live in Wyoming.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

You know it.....and I know it.....

But.....

[caver]

"Personally, I don't think this stands a snowball's chance in this state......"

You guys do have a lot of snowballs.

[Scotsman will be Free]

You are probably right. I see the police union is marching lockstep with their democrat masters. In my personal experience, except for wage and working condition matters, police unions did not represent the majority view of their members.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

Ping for your MN list.....

[goldstategop]

Self-defense IS radical?? Oh my, I didn't know I needed the government's august permission to defend my life.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Roccus]

Same thing happening in ND

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1777405/posts

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

So I noticed......

Better chance there than here.

[Rakkasan1]

for safety or license to shoot?

Bias right in the headline...why can't it be both-safety AND license to shoot?

[Rakkasan1]

Me neither, not now.not after last election. if people actually knew their rights as jurors, this bill wouldn't be needed.As it is already,I doubt a jury who isn't retarded would side in favor of prosecuting a homeowner who shoots a burglar...but if it happened in Keith X's district or some other moonbat haven, you never know.

"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."- p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957 "...

fullyinformedjuries

[newcthem]

The murder rate in the old west was a fraction of what it is in Minneapolis/St. Paul (the libs capital of la-la-land) right now.

[Dead Corpse]

Opponents say it grants people the right to "shoot first, ask questions later" and could turn Minnesota into the Wild West.

They've said that about every loosening of their hoplophobic idiocy. It's NEVER happened.

Further, historical research proves out that the "Wild West" really wasn't all that crime ridden where folks were noted for being "at all times armed". That is why we still remember that eras criminals. Because they were the aberration, not the norm.

To make matters worse, I'm moving back to MN for family reason come June/July. Living in Texas the last 7 years is going to make adjustment to MN's liberalism a bit hard to take.

[School of Rational Thought]

"It enables them to protect themselves legally and it puts the onus on the criminal and the state to prove they were wrong."


This is the real essence of these bills.

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

And that is what drives the lefties batty.....

[Gritty]

Opponents say it grants people the right to "shoot first, ask questions later" and could turn Minnesota into the Wild West.

OK, Libs. Let's take a look at the real "Wild West" - if you can stand it...

Treat Them to a Good Dose of Lead (Why the 'Wild West' was not what Liberals claim-my title)

[ButThreeLeftsDo]

FReep this poll at KARE 11 (local TV) on this proposed measure: http://www.kare11.com/

Scroll down......