Posted on 01/30/2007 5:45:59 AM PST by wintertime
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1. The practitioners know and can do things the public in general cannot do. They have a specialized body of knowledge.
2. The specialized body of knowledge practitioners have takes an extended period of time to learn.
3. The educators who prepare the practitioners are experts who agree upon the specialized body of knowledge practitioners must have.
4. Admission to a professional training program is highly selective.( snip).
6. Only members of the profession set the standards for licensure and certification.
7. The primary responsibility and loyalty of a professional is to serve the client and not simply the institution or governmental agency in which the practitioner may be employed.
8. Neither the public at large nor an employing institution may control the way in which professionals relate to their clients, or the treatments, methods or procedures they use.
9. Neither the public at large nor an employing institution may set the purpose, goals or objectives for the practitioner’s practice with clients.
10. The public at large does not decide how to evaluate professionals.
11. Only members of the profession can determine malpractice and dismiss or disbar practitioners.
12. Professionals determine the cost of their services.
19. Professionals are trained to serve clients with problems. By definition “professionals” do not seek to perform services to clients without problems.
21. Professionals share a code of ethics to which they commit and adhere. They cannot be directed to perform or not perform services for clients which conflict with their professional code.
The case that teaching does not meet any of these twenty one criteria can be readily made.
(Excerpt) Read more at ednews.org ...
Thank you. I used to hate the fact he was a teacher. People come up to him all the time- students from WAY back- to thank him, and to tell him exactly what he did for them, even if they weren't aware of it at the time. I was just glad he got out before the whole school shooting wave started.
I am an attorney with the Government. I have a specialty related to Business, and have taught Graduate Business Courses at night a University. My teaching experience came from the military (I was an Army Reservist that taught military courses). The military has some excellent courses on how to teach.
Teaching Grad Students was great. Out of about 120 students in 5 years, I only had a handful (3-4) that did poorly. Many aced the exams, consistently went to class and worked a full time job, most had children (small).
The key to teaching, in my opinion, is making the students a part of the teaching experience. Lecturing a group of students is not as effective. It helps to try to understand where they are coming from and try to make the subject meaningful for them.
My Son and others that have taught have little respect for the ED classes they took in college.
I am thinking of teaching History in HS after I retire, but I hate the thought of having to take ED courses.
They are out today... We really should re-start that ping list!
There is certainly an extent to which the prof. kowtows to the STUDENTS, especially if h/she is not tenured... student evaluations can mean the difference between being hired or not. I don't profess to be a great teacher, or even a good one. I think the good ones are few and far between. To my shame, I try to teach contented students, so we meet somewhere in the middle, between their desire to do very little work, and my desire to have them approach the issues thoughtfully and coherently.
I am thinking of teaching History in HS after I retire, but I hate the thought of having to take ED courses.
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You will hate working with the Ed major teachers.
My brother is a retired engineer, and worked as a teacher teaching math and physics for about 10 years. His biggest complaint was the poor subject mastery of his teacher colleagues. He had NO respect for them.
A few of my students were partially deaf and it helped them.
Grades 1 to 10: FREE Catholic parochial schools
Grades 11 and 12: Government school
Nursing school diploma program ( registered nurse): Private hospital
University 4 year B.S. in science (pre-med): Private university
Doctorate: Government.
( Thank you all for subsidizing an education that provides an income far greater than most of you will ever see. )
and......... the link-------> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1716192/posts?page=300#300
I don't think it was meant sarcastically either. It was used in a heated exchange with another poster - not me, btw, for once.
Nice seeing you again Winter. Always interesting to see what you dredge up.
I wish I was so chicken.............
It would definitely get a workout on threads such as this.
The teacher-bashing that eminates from some posters on these threads is actually painful to me, and I'm not a teacher nor am I married to one. I have a great deal of respect for good teachers and do not believe they deserve the level of vitriol we see on these threads and that is what keeps me coming back.
"Now, the same issue that I loathed in high school has hit the university class -- if you aren't an 'actor' or a stage presence, you risk having your class walk out at break. Everything you do needs to be tied to a mark. There are too many students, and too few of them are there for the learning. Whatever happened to the concept of 'reading' for a degree? When seminars were meant to be a forum of ideas instead of listening to one person drone? At the university, people are afraid to express opinions, because they might get flamed for being politically incorrect. Sigh."
today's generation seems to have a need to be entertained.
If they aren't enterained they want it to be worth their while to sit in class.
Up until they come to you they've been taught to simply jump through certain hoops to get what they want....they're just continuing on with that method.
As long as we have teachers unions protecting the profession from interference by otherwise qualified individuals who don't hold a teaching certificate, we won't be getting the best and brightest into the profession.
In this state, you can have a PhD in a subject...if you don't have that teaching certificate, you can't even be a substitute.
Good for you. You are the type of teacher needed today. I have a BCP (Bachelor of City Planning) and an MA in Rhetoric (the classic kind). I spent much of my professional life in Marketing, PR and Editing and then have been in a part-time seat-warming job for 12 years so that I could be on call for my daughter who will graduate from college this year. I took History courses (today it's social studies, but I still had to take all the courses) and English. In the past 6 years or so, I've taken as many hours as most students take for their undergraduate degree. The education courses were surprisingly very good, believe it or not. I think it depends on where you are taking them. I've heard absolute horror stories about the ed courses folks my age have taken in large universities around here. I am in a very small agricultural college that has a few other majors. Agricultural colleges tend to be conservative and I've benefitted from that. They changed the entire curriculum, though, after I started and I doubt that I would like some of these courses today. It's not the fault of the school, though.
The Mid-Atlantic Accreditation Institution (not sure what its name is) has demanded a lot of changes to keep the school's accreditation, and it is from this level that so much of the monkeying with curriculum has come. While outcomes-based education was basically voted down in secondary schools here, it is coming in through higher ed. Parents do not keep a careful eye on this, assuming that the content of the courses and the methods will be solid in college. While the liberal bent of too many teachers and courses are the current hot topic, there is a lot of other things going on under the radar. My husband says he's glad he will be of the age to retire in a few years. But I would still encourage you to teach. You have experience in dealing with adminstrative BS and that is valuable. Plus you sound like you have the heart of a good teacher.
Teaching is a profession, according to the dictionary.
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Who writes the dictionary? Yes, of course! Academics!
The true definition is to compare what teachers do with what those in other professions do. By that objective criteria, teachers are NOT professionals. Why? Because they do not ACT professionally!
I would LOVE to know where she got a FREE Catholic school education. My parents paid buckets of money for my brother and I to spend 12 years in Catholic schools. And when I was in elemtary school if the annual total of their weekly collection plate "donation" didn't meet a certain amount there was an additional "tuition bill" at the end of the school year.
For sure, the Christian school I would love to send my kiddos to is $5800/year, in kindergarten.
You know... I am the first to say that the government education is pretty much hopeless, useless, pointless and worthless. But I don't go around saying that all teachers must be stupid, evil, or lazy. Because that's not true. Some area. Some think they can improve things, like missionaries to cannibal tribes in South America. I think I cans ee your point - that good teachers are just prolonging the decay, that if they all pulled out it would collapse and we could do something about it. I just don't know if that's true. I do know a lot of kids are being neglected now, would be neglected if that happens, and really haven't much hope in any way.
My point is, by aggravating teachers who would otherwise maybe look kindly on homeschoolers, all you'll do is make sure nobody objects at their meetings. And probably turn a few people who are considering homeschooling, away from it. Nothing like an arrogant attitude to win converts.
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