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Are the Right People Becoming Teachers? ( Teachers are NOT Professionals)
EdNews.org ^ | January 9,2007 | Martin Haberman

Posted on 01/30/2007 5:45:59 AM PST by wintertime

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1. The practitioners know and can do things the public in general cannot do. They have a specialized body of knowledge.

2. The specialized body of knowledge practitioners have takes an extended period of time to learn.

3. The educators who prepare the practitioners are experts who agree upon the specialized body of knowledge practitioners must have.

4. Admission to a professional training program is highly selective.( snip).

6. Only members of the profession set the standards for licensure and certification.

7. The primary responsibility and loyalty of a professional is to serve the client and not simply the institution or governmental agency in which the practitioner may be employed.

8. Neither the public at large nor an employing institution may control the way in which professionals relate to their clients, or the treatments, methods or procedures they use.

9. Neither the public at large nor an employing institution may set the purpose, goals or objectives for the practitioner’s practice with clients.

10. The public at large does not decide how to evaluate professionals.

11. Only members of the profession can determine malpractice and dismiss or disbar practitioners.

12. Professionals determine the cost of their services.

19. Professionals are trained to serve clients with problems. By definition “professionals” do not seek to perform services to clients without problems.

21. Professionals share a code of ethics to which they commit and adhere. They cannot be directed to perform or not perform services for clients which conflict with their professional code.

The case that teaching does not meet any of these twenty one criteria can be readily made.

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Martin Haverman continues:

Teachers are employees of school districts. Unless they function in compliance with the rules and regulations of their employing district they will not be hired or remain employed. Members of the public determine the content and nature of their services. As employees they have no legitimate control over their practices. It is only on an informal level, the fact that 3.1 million teachers cannot have their behaviors continually monitored and controlled, that they have any discretion at all. The advice to “shut your door and do what you want” does not make teaching a profession. Quite the reverse. It testifies to working conditions in which teachers must sneak activities which their employers might not sanction. If teachers can only demonstrate independent decision-making when they hide their behavior from superiors is that a hallmark of a profession? Legally, teachers have zero discretion over the nature of their training, certification, licensure, practice, or evaluation. Teachers are functionaries, frequently employed in dysfunctional bureaucracies. Teachers cannot decide “best practice”. “Best practice” is circumscribed and determined by what the public and the school boards and administrators who represent the public are willing to condone. If teachers don’t like their employers’ rules and regulations their only choice is to transfer to another school or another district where they can “live with” the conditions under which they must work, or they can quit teaching altogether. This is precisely the choice offered jobholders who are office workers, or who work in retail, or in any other job performed in an organized bureaucracy. Any reasonable analysis of what constitutes a job in contrast to what constitutes a profession will lead to the conclusion that teachers are jobholders who function in publicly run school districts.

Re: Criteria #7,#8,#9

I have previously posted that, if teachers were truly professional, they would refuse to work in conditions that damage children educationally, emotionally, socially, or physically. Unfortunately,teachers open their doors to, and work in, schools that use ineffective and damaging educational programs, and where children are brutalized by other children and sometimes the staff and other teachers.

We often hear that "good" teachers are doing the best they can and shouldn't be blamed. I disagree.

A heart surgeon would refuse to work in an operating room with a heart lung machine that was known to be defective, but, so-called "good" teachers go to work every day in schools throughout this nation that are using defective educational methods and are physically unsafe for the children. Would a surgeon just wring his hands and complain that he was trying the best he could? Hardly! He would transfer his practice to a safe hospital and refuse to practice in the hospital with poor operating room practices. If teachers were true "professionals", and if teaching were a true profession, they would do what was right for the students regardless of the demands of whiny or demanding principals or parents, or the possible loss of their paycheck and benefits.

Teachers, who work in schools with ineffective and damaging educational and discipline practices, or that are emotionally and physically unsafe for children, are one or more of the following:

1) They are too stupid to know with what they are cooperating.

2) They are greedy for a paycheck and generous benefits.

3) They like working in a system that harms children, and this makes them evil.

I have cut some of Martin Haberman's criteria for professionals from the post so that the excerpt could be accepted as a post. I recommend the entire article. It is worth the time to read it.

1 posted on 01/30/2007 5:46:00 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

"The specialized body of knowledge practitioners have takes an extended period of time to learn."


I'm not sure, but I think the only professions that would really meet this criterion would be doctors and lawyers (and vets). Seems a bogus criterion to me.


2 posted on 01/30/2007 5:52:10 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: wintertime

Innumerable tests over many decades have shown that the mental test scores of people who specialize in education are among the lowest of any college students. This is not an accident. Given the incredibly bad courses in education that abound, in even the top universities, intelligent people are repelled, while mediocrities and incompetents sail through.


3 posted on 01/30/2007 5:55:10 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: wintertime

A 50+ year old liberal relative of mine has been a teacher for over 20 years. She thought a "separation of church and state" was in the Constitution.


4 posted on 01/30/2007 5:57:11 AM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: wintertime
I am now dating a teacher and they face all sorts of bureaucratic crap from kids with Tourette's being used a messenger between classes to a young man with a state allowed modification of lesson plan that allows him to masturbate one per day in class.

Gee, and we got in trouble if we chewed gum.

The rules are rules have to be followed and the teachers get to follow 'em.

5 posted on 01/30/2007 6:03:37 AM PST by pikachu (Be alert -- we need more lerts!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Lawyers, actuaries, engineers, psychologists (of any licensable variety), or for that matter mathematicians (we sure as heck aren't amateurs, so we must be professionals) all fit the 'specialized body of knowledge' citerion.

Criterion 19 is the one that's a bit iffy as too medical.


6 posted on 01/30/2007 6:10:11 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: pikachu
with a state allowed modification of lesson plan that allows him to masturbate one per day in class.

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In class?

Are you serious?

Well,,,if the teachers in this school go to school every day and open the doors, then they are cooperating with, aiding and abetting, and harming the children in that school. A true professional would not agree to do this. They would REFUSE to practice their profession no matter how many fits the parents or principals threw.
7 posted on 01/30/2007 6:11:10 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: pikachu

The rules are rules have to be followed and the teachers get to follow 'em.

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NO! They do NOT have to follow 'em!

Are police holding guns to the heads of these teachers as they open the doors to their classrooms each day? I don't think so. If they were true professionals they would refuse to cooperate, or they would quit!


8 posted on 01/30/2007 6:12:57 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: The_Reader_David

Criterion 19 is the one that's a bit iffy as too medical.

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The author claims that most, not all, of the criteria apply to true professionals. He states that teachers meet NONE of the criteria.


9 posted on 01/30/2007 6:14:40 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: wintertime
Teachers, who work in schools with ineffective and damaging educational and discipline practices, or that are emotionally and physically unsafe for children, are one or more of the following:

1) They are too stupid to know with what they are cooperating.

2) They are greedy for a paycheck and generous benefits.

3) They like working in a system that harms children, and this makes them evil.


I find this statement disgusting and appalling. Did it not occur to you that maybe people recognize such school districts as badly broken and in need of help? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps a decent, moral person might try to help improve such a school, rather than turn their back on it? How about trying to help these kids in dangerous environments rather than leaving them there to rot?

My sister is a public school teacher down in Baltimore. The schools there are very dangerous, and perform very poorly academically. They're full of kids with completely broken family lives, from a culture that puts no value on education, and where violence is a regular occurrence. She went to Johns Hopkins, hardly slouch school, and gradated with nearly a 4.0, so she's not stupid. She gets paid very badly, so she's not greedy. If she took some sort of sick, twisted pleasure in harming children, then she'd leave those kids with the incompetence they're used to.

I hold her in very high respect for the work she does, and I get extremely angry when people make ignorant statements such as yours. It is one of the hardest, most important, and sometimes downright dangerous jobs there is, yet garners very little respect. Think before you speak next time.
10 posted on 01/30/2007 6:15:56 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: wintertime
2. The specialized body of knowledge practitioners have takes an extended period of time to learn.

I'll tell you one thing: whoever wrote this rotten sentence, and the majority of this list, ain't no professional practitioner of writin' English.

11 posted on 01/30/2007 6:17:42 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Vision
We're all not that bad. A photo of my classroom The goodies are Valentine treats the kids made for the troops stationed at Gitmo.

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12 posted on 01/30/2007 6:18:03 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear.. on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: wintertime

Haberman-"He has developed more programs preparing more teachers than anyone in American education. His interview for selecting Urban Teachers is used in 200 cities."

It sounds like he is a major part of the problem in public education.


13 posted on 01/30/2007 6:18:49 AM PST by em2vn
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To: wintertime

With the invention of the personal computer and the advent of the Internet, teachers became utterly obsolete. Society just hasn't fully realized it yet. In twenty more years, the idea of herding forty kids into a makeshift prison cell to be lectured to by a "C" student with a minimal command of the curriculum will seem as bizarre and backward as the medical practice of bloodletting to treat disease does today.


14 posted on 01/30/2007 6:20:04 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: pikachu

I've been a teacher for 16 years, but only the last 7 years in public schools. This article is filled with so much irony that it is difficult to read with a straight face. The only way the public education system in this country is going to change is if the business community pushes the change. We know that won't happen as long as they can bring in highly educated people from overseas who will do the jobs that Americans weren't educated to perform.

Yes, there are some teachers who deserve scorn. However, there is plenty of blame to share with parents and administrators as well. Until the system changes though, we're all just actors in it.


15 posted on 01/30/2007 6:20:31 AM PST by reeb88 (How much fun are 72 virgins anyway? How much crying can one martyr take?)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
I hold her in very high respect for the work she does, and I get extremely angry when people make ignorant statements such as yours. It is one of the hardest, most important, and sometimes downright dangerous jobs there is, yet garners very little respect. Think before you speak next time.

Amen.

Like you, I don't understand the need to rip on teaching, as a profession, if you're unhappy with certain teachers out there.

16 posted on 01/30/2007 6:21:55 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
yet garners very little respect.

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You bet!

I have little respect for people who are cooperating with and propping up a system that harms children with ineffectual and damaging educational programs, lax discipline, and allows a chaotic and unsafe physical, emotional, and sexual environment for children.

Yep! I have little respect for these enablers.
17 posted on 01/30/2007 6:22:49 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

In twenty more years, the idea of herding forty kids into a makeshift prison cell to be lectured to by a "C" student with a minimal command of the curriculum will seem as bizarre and backward as the medical practice of bloodletting to treat disease does today.

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I surely hope so.


18 posted on 01/30/2007 6:24:25 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are .not stupid)
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To: pikachu
"a young man with a state allowed modification of lesson plan that allows him to masturbate one per day in class"

I don't believe it. There is no kid that is allowed to masturbate in class.


---regards
19 posted on 01/30/2007 6:25:16 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: wintertime
Some of us are fighting in the trenches my FRiend. Would you rather we depart and leave the schools totally to the liberals?
20 posted on 01/30/2007 6:25:28 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear.. on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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