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(Catholic) Church: we'll make gay rights martyrs
Scotsman ^ | January 28, 2007 | EDDIE BARNES AND BRIAN BRADY

Posted on 01/29/2007 9:57:48 AM PST by NYer

THE Catholic Church is to go to war over new legislation on rights for homosexuals, vowing to create "gay rights martyrs" if the laws are passed.

In a change of tactics, Church officials now say they will not close down adoption agencies as a result of new laws forcing them to deal with applications from gay couples.

Instead, they will deliberately break the law in order to bring a case to court. The Church believes it could then challenge a guilty verdict through Article 9 of the Human Rights Act, which upholds the freedom of religious expression.

The challenge considerably increases the temperature in a row that last week left the Cabinet divided and prompted warnings from Church leaders that the issue would prompt them to campaign against Labour in May's Scottish elections. Scotland has two Catholic adoption agencies, which place about 200 children and offer aftercare to 2,000 more.

Previously, Church leaders have said that the agencies would be forced to close, however, a spokesman for the Church told Scotland on Sunday: "We will not shut down the agencies. We will carry on working until someone takes us to court for breaking the law." He added: "There would then be a case where one of our agencies would be found guilty of breaking the law and would be put out of business."

He went on: "We believe there is an opportunity for a judicial review on the grounds that compelling people to act against their religious beliefs contravenes Article 9 of the ECHR."

The plan follows a similar challenge brought against the government in Northern Ireland, where the act has already been introduced. Brought by the Christian Institute, the bid will go ahead in March, in an attempt to topple the regulations in the Province.

The Church is now also warning of other examples where its members may find themselves breaking the new legislation. Once passed, the Equality Act, will ban any discrimination in the provision of services on grounds of sexuality.

The spokesman added: "We will see priests prosecuted for saying they are not renting the hall for a same-sex celebration." He went on: "What about the Christian bookshop which refuses to stock gay literature? They will all be breaking the law."

MSPs took the step of allowing gay adoption barely a month ago, when they passed the Adoption Act. That legislation contained a compromise for church leaders allowing Catholic adoption agencies to pass gay couples on to other agencies, rather than being compelled to take them on. Ministers in London are now updating the Sexual Orientation (Provision of Goods and Services) Regulations, which would apply throughout the UK, and are desperately trying to broker their own compromise with the Church.

One option being examined is a regulation in the bill that would mirror the deal made with clerics in Scotland.

Westminster officials last night insisted that Prime Minister Tony Blair and communities minister Ruth Kelly - the two Cabinet supporters of a Catholic 'exemption' - had not fully capitulated over the gay-adoption issue and were maintaining efforts to seek a "workable compromise". Home Secretary John Reid floated the possibility of following Scotland's lead in pacifying the Catholic Church and the gay community - although he insisted the thrust of the equal-opportunities legislation should not be diverted.

"If there's a transitional period - or in Scotland they've suggested other ways of handling this - then by all means do it," Reid said. "But it mustn't overrule the fundamental principle."

A spokesman for Kelly's department said she was investigating all possible alternatives, including the "Scottish solution". He added: "There is a will to produce the most acceptable regulations possible."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: adoption; atheismandstate; catholic; culturewar; homosexual; homosexualagenda; thoughtcrime; warriorsforchrist
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1 posted on 01/29/2007 9:57:50 AM PST by NYer
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Catholic Ping
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2 posted on 01/29/2007 9:58:16 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: scripter; little jeremiah; DBeers

Ping!


3 posted on 01/29/2007 10:01:42 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

The conservatives seem to be getting the upper hand in many of the diocese these days. And it is welcome.


4 posted on 01/29/2007 10:01:49 AM PST by pissant
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To: NYer
Previously, Church leaders have said that the agencies would be forced to close, however, a spokesman for the Church told Scotland on Sunday: "We will not shut down the agencies. We will carry on working until someone takes us to court for breaking the law." He added: "There would then be a case where one of our agencies would be found guilty of breaking the law and would be put out of business."

The headline stinks. These guys have guts. They're refusing to render unto Caesar what is God's. Saint Thomas More, Pray for us.

5 posted on 01/29/2007 10:03:22 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
I am not RC, but I have to say that there appears to be ONE major church remaining that was founded on a Rock, anyway.

Years ago I used to think their inelasticity was a bad thing, but we have seen so much PC secularization in so many others that it is time to rethink that.

6 posted on 01/29/2007 10:04:40 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: NYer

Wow. I'm impressed. Amazed, really.


7 posted on 01/29/2007 10:11:16 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Gorzaloon
it is time to rethink that.

Thanks. Some of us consider our Church's "inelasticity" an unalloyed blessing.

8 posted on 01/29/2007 10:13:28 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Previously, Church leaders have said that the agencies would be forced to close, however, a spokesman for the Church told Scotland on Sunday: "We will not shut down the agencies. We will carry on working until someone takes us to court for breaking the law."

Proud-to-be-a-Catholic bump.

God save the children.

9 posted on 01/29/2007 10:13:35 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: NYer

It's good to see someone fighting this encroachment!


10 posted on 01/29/2007 10:14:54 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: ArrogantBustard
They're refusing to render unto Caesar what is God's.

Exactly. A fine but important point.

11 posted on 01/29/2007 10:15:26 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Gorzaloon

Thanks for your post.


12 posted on 01/29/2007 10:15:30 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**Instead, they will deliberately break the law in order to bring a case to court. The Church believes it could then challenge a guilty verdict through Article 9 of the Human Rights Act, which upholds the freedom of religious expression. **

BTTT!

Holy Spirit, be with us!


13 posted on 01/29/2007 10:16:35 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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WOOHOO!

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

14 posted on 01/29/2007 10:17:03 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: NYer
Possibly too apropos, too ironic,...?

St. Charles Lwanga and companions; pray for us.
15 posted on 01/29/2007 10:17:12 AM PST by incredulous joe ("Being a Christian is a fine thing, but not always an easy thing." Pope Paul VI)
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To: Salvation
I wasn't mentioning any NAMES of course...Hahaha.

Like Mine. :-(

16 posted on 01/29/2007 10:23:48 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: NYer

Beautiful! and Lovely!


17 posted on 01/29/2007 10:26:34 AM PST by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: NYer

Go my Catholic brethren! Uphold the Word of God!


18 posted on 01/29/2007 10:32:11 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's an experiment for God's existence: Ask Him to contact you.)
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To: NYer
Instead, they will deliberately break the law in order to bring a case to court. The Church believes it could then challenge a guilty verdict through Article 9 of the Human Rights Act, which upholds the freedom of religious expression.

In Canada, a similar approach has been taken with respect to religious objections and sexual orientation. The Supreme Court there rules that the right to be free from discrimination (i.e. gay rights) takes precidence over religious freedom.

19 posted on 01/29/2007 10:41:04 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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I know this article is from the "Scotsman" and so is reflecting what is happening in the UK, but I am wondering if there is some way the birth mother can play a more active role until the child is actually given up for adoption? Can she have a say in what kind of folks she'd like her kid to be brought up by? In the US, Catholic adoption agencies were as secretive as a clandestine group conducting strange rights in some hidey hole. It was all hush hush and shame shame. Thank God today most of these taboos are broken. There has to be a way to skirt around.


20 posted on 01/29/2007 10:50:57 AM PST by brooklyn dave (Muslims are warm and fuzzy as---(fill in the blank))
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