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If anyone is interested in helping me correct Mr. Martin his email address is:

AndyMart20@aol.com

1 posted on 01/26/2007 7:32:42 AM PST by Lee'sGhost
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2 posted on 01/26/2007 7:33:33 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Swift boating is telling truths about Democrats that make them uncomfortable.

Scurrilous and unfounded claims against Republicans are "a search for the truth".


3 posted on 01/26/2007 7:34:39 AM PST by popdonnelly (Our first obligation is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

I feel you may be splitting hairs with one another...

"...usually invoked when liberals and Democrats are stung trying to defend themselves against unpleasantly truthful accusations hurled by conservatives. "

He mentioned that his definition included unpleasent TRUTHS that they try to defend themselves against...


5 posted on 01/26/2007 7:37:44 AM PST by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

“Swift boating": Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth...........


6 posted on 01/26/2007 7:37:51 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: Lee'sGhost
The left came up with the term "Swift boating" and gave it a negative connotation.

Most on the right had too much respect for the Veterans involved to use the word.

I don't think we should ever use it for that reason.
8 posted on 01/26/2007 7:40:16 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

"Swift Boating" is when the truth is revealed about a liberal and they suffer because of it.


9 posted on 01/26/2007 7:40:55 AM PST by MSF BU
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To: Lee'sGhost

How does he define "Borked?"


10 posted on 01/26/2007 7:41:31 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Lee'sGhost

It depends on the definition of "if".

Name me a politician who answers a question directly, truthfully, and with finality.

We are dealing with a bunch of non commitals who stand for whatever is popular at the given moment. Fence riders.
Wind direction testers. Doublespeak distractors.


13 posted on 01/26/2007 7:45:34 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Lee'sGhost
I agree with conservativehusker that the definition provided already included your definition, and that you are splitting hairs. If anything, his definition was simply more detailed than yours, and had the added bounus of using the words "flaccid" and "Kerry" in the same sentence.

Conservatives don't need to engage internecine warfare over minor points when we are in essential agreement, IMO.

19 posted on 01/26/2007 7:49:17 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ("Thanks, Tom DeLay, for practically giving me your seat"-Nick Lampson)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Mr. Martin doesn't stay with his OWN definition of 'swift boating' as he defines it. According to him, the term is used when Democrats are stung by unpleasantly 'truthful' allegations. At least he said 'truthful', but then continues to suggest the term defines 'untruthful' allegations, not truthful facts.

In the following lines, he states "For the record, ContrarianCommentary.com has never “swift boated” anyone. Our mantra is: “Just the facts, mam’m."


It is this type of faulty intellect that continues to define the vast majority of the media. They don't have time to check facts, so the easiest way to write is to do it quickly and wait for any fallout. So used to fallout they are, that they now think telling a lie is worth it.
20 posted on 01/26/2007 7:50:36 AM PST by Melinda
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To: Lee'sGhost

Mr. Martin,

I donated $200 to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the 2004 election cycle, and find your definition of "Swift-Boating" to be smarmy and intellectually dishonest.

All John Fraud Kerry ever had to do to completely discredit the Swiftees is sign Standard Form SF-180 releasing his ENTIRE military record to the public and submit it to the National Personnel Records Center.

http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/standard-form-180.html#ways

Since Mr. Kerry was campaigning to become Commander-in-Chief of the United States military, his military record was highly relevant. All other Presidential candidates in recent history have made their ENTIRE military records public. Mr. Kerry founded his political career on his military service in Viet Nam. It seems odd that he would be the only candidate to demur from providing his military records.

The problem for Mr. Kerry with releasing his ENTIRE military record to the public is that we would find out the particulars on his three Purple Hearts and Bronze Star, decorations earned in less than 30-days in-country. There are many recipients of a single Purple Heart who are missing body parts, but Mr. Kerry is completely scar-free, except for a few bicycling and snowboarding mishaps.

To this day, we have no idea who awarded these medals or why, other than Mr. Kerry's account. All we ever wanted from Mr. Kerry were documented facts, facts that he evidently considers to be an embarrassment.

Prove me wrong. Convince Mr. Kerry to sign and submit Standard Form SF-180.

Regards,


25 posted on 01/26/2007 7:57:03 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Swiftboating is going around the gatekeepers of news, to get a negative story out about a candidate,that otherwise the story would not be known to the public. - Tom
29 posted on 01/26/2007 8:01:42 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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30 posted on 01/26/2007 8:04:40 AM PST by Gritty (It is essential only men of unexceptionable character be in places of power and trust-Samuel Adams)
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To: Lee'sGhost

I didn't have a problem with the def. I liked the "unpleasantly truthful" part.


59 posted on 01/26/2007 9:24:22 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I'm sorry, but I agree with Mr. Martin when he says, "...liberals and Democrats are stung trying to defend themselves against unpleasantly truthful accusations...".

He nails it.

60 posted on 01/26/2007 9:50:21 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Swiftboating is a pejorative. Much like my own term "Zogbyism" that I use to criticize the media when they falsify the news. Yellow journalism is what it is. Zogby biased the election day polls and used them to try to sway the 2000 election by depressing the conservative base.

Dan Rather, reporting a story that was coordinated between the DNC and CBS News, stuck by "fake but accurate" forged documents.

THESE incidents NEVER get mentioned by leftist critics of the Swift Boat Veterans. Hell, even Joseph McCarthy was right about there being Communists in government and in Hollywood.

He is damned because of his "list" but the Left has similarly bragged of non-existent lists in their hands in recent years.

The left has also taken the term "Chicken Hawk", a term for a gay man who likes young flesh, and used it to paint a negative perception of those who support the war. They know what this term has meant for decades.

Don't play the leftist word games. And for the record, it is the Democrat party, not the Democratic party. Socialist if we are being honest.


65 posted on 01/26/2007 10:53:09 AM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: Lee'sGhost
“Swift boating" is a term that came into use during the 2004 presidential election to reflect Senator John Kerry’s flaccid response to attacks on his wartime record in Viet-Nam. The term, a noun, adjective and verb, has entered the political lexicon and is usually invoked when liberals and Democrats are stung trying to defend themselves against unpleasantly truthful accusations hurled by conservatives.

I have both an objection and support for Mr. Martin's definition. In my observation, the term "swift boating" is used almost exclusively by Democratic supporters of Kerry, but not to reflect Kerry's "flaccid response." Rather it is used to portray Kerry as a victim of foul play. See definitions offered by Urban Dictionary below.

However, Mr. Martin allows that the accusations are "unpleasantly truthful" and the connotation is "odious." As such, Mr. Martin deserves credit for not subscribing entirely to the definitions current on the not-very-swift liberal street.

Urban dictionary:

Swift boating 75 up, 44 down

The act of discrediting a political opponent by making exaggurated (sic) or outrightly false claims about his/her character and past actions.

Coined from the 2004 US Presidential campaign, where the the conservative group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth aired a commercial criticizing democrat (sic) John Kerry's reputation as a war hero in Vietnam. It has since become a popular term with leftist journalists.

Jed: Sylva says she's against the war, but she has no idea about how much it protects our country. It's not like she actually earned her PhD (sic) in political science - her daddy has influence at that college.
Alex: Dude, stop swift boating my girlfriend!

Also:

1. Swiftboated 242 up, 80 down

To be smeared by the president or his administration in a tastless (sic) and slanderous way.

They're gonna totally swiftboat this soldier's mom the way they did kerry (sic).

2. Swiftboated 233 up, 75 down

To be unfairly and inaccurately attacked relentlessly in the media

They swiftboated the Gold Star mom on the news by questioning her credibility when she refused to back off with her antiwar protest in the presidents (sic) back yard.

3. Swiftboated 12 up, 34 down

Exposure of a false hero by people who are fimiliar (sic) with claimed heroic acts

John claimed to have saved a life in the local tragic fire. However, after noting that John was aat (sic) the time, actually in a bar 20 miles away by the bartender, John was Swiftboated by several other people the entire week following the fictitious claim.

4. Swiftboated 63 up, 204 down

To be outed a hypocritical liar.

Thank God Kerry was swiftboated before he got elected President.

Source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swiftboated

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73 posted on 01/26/2007 2:58:38 PM PST by OESY
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