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Toddler's temper ousts family from plane
Associated Press via Yahoo News ^ | January 23, 2007 | Jim Ellis

Posted on 01/23/2007 10:25:48 AM PST by presidio9

AirTran Airways on Tuesday defended its decision to remove a Massachusetts couple from a flight after their crying 3-year-old daughter refused to take her seat before takeoff.

AirTran officials said they followed Federal Aviation Administration rules that children age 2 and above must have their own seat and be wearing a seat belt upon takeoff.

"The flight was already delayed 15 minutes and in fairness to the other 112 passengers on the plane, the crew made an operational decision to remove the family," AirTran spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver said.

Julie and Gerry Kulesza, who were headed home to Boston on Jan. 14 from Fort Myers, said they just needed a little more time to calm their daughter, Elly.

"We weren't given an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything," Julie Kulesza said in a telephone interview Tuesday.

The Kuleszas said they told a flight attendant they had paid for their daughter's seat, but asked whether she could sit in her mother's lap. The request was denied.

She was removed because "she was climbing under the seat and hitting the parents and wouldn't get in her seat" during boarding, Graham-Weaver said.

The Orlando-based carrier reimbursed the family $595.80, the cost of the three tickets, and the Kuleszas flew home the next day.

They also were offered three roundtrip tickets anywhere the airline flies, Graham-Weaver said.

The father said his family would never fly AirTran again.


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To: soccermom
Maybe. It happens but the comments afterwords make me wonder. If I had been asked by a reporter, I would have responded with "yeah, he was tired and cranky and throwing a fit. We got kicked off but hey..they gave us 3 free tickets and guess who isn't going to Hawaii with us"?

The comment about "she was hitting her mother" bothers me too. It reads to me like "it was just her mother".

141 posted on 01/23/2007 12:24:26 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Irish Rose

You're right. I would say that a child's propensity to misbehave, to be violent, is the result of Original Sin. Of course, today's child-rearing experts don't believe in original sin and they think just the opposite, that children are naturally good and well-behaved. Therefore, their advice to parents--don't spank, reason with the child, distract the child, put the child in a time out, hold the child tightly while he is having a tantrum--is just so much nonsense because it is based on a false assumption.


142 posted on 01/23/2007 12:25:49 PM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: presidio9
"We weren't given an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything,"

Huh? The entire exchange should be "Sit down and read a book/watch a DVD."

"Yes sir"

That's really all there is to it.
143 posted on 01/23/2007 12:32:27 PM PST by BJClinton (Forget the fence, annex Mexico.)
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To: Muzzle_em

"I think a 3-yr. old is light enough to be lifted by a parent and forced into a seat, strapped into the seat, and HELD FIRMLY into place." Agreed. Unfortunately, you can't "muzzle em."


144 posted on 01/23/2007 12:34:08 PM PST by soccermom
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To: BJClinton
Huh? The entire exchange should be "Sit down and read a book/watch a DVD."

"Yes sir"

Dang...I'm not saying the parents handled this right, but you can't know many three-year-olds if you think that's all there is to it. Five or six, maybe...not three.

But they certainly should have been able to scoop her up. I wonder how long it really took them.

145 posted on 01/23/2007 12:36:28 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: r9etb

"I just distrust most comments made by parents about how well they controlled their own kids." I agree. I don't blame the airline one bit. But I get so sick of people claiming how perfect their kids are at all times. The principal at our school thinks that my boys walk on water. She constantly goes out of her way to tell me how well behaved my boys are. I have to tell her that they have their moments at home.


146 posted on 01/23/2007 12:37:05 PM PST by soccermom
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To: CindyDawg

Yeah, I think the parents blew it by making a public issue of it. The got another flight and 3 free tickets. Unless they missed a funeral, I don't see what the big deal is.


147 posted on 01/23/2007 12:38:49 PM PST by soccermom
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To: RosieCotton

1-2 is near impossible but by 3 they should know better. Assuming (Ha!) the parents instilled discipline from the get-go.


148 posted on 01/23/2007 12:44:37 PM PST by BJClinton (Forget the fence, annex Mexico.)
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To: RosieCotton
You have to defuse them. Once they are in a full blown tantrum you just have to ride it out and discipline after-wards. She could have picked her up and strapped her down. It sounds like they were way past the persuading stage.
149 posted on 01/23/2007 12:59:20 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: presidio9
Great job by the airline workers.

I have had the privilege of sitting in front of a pampered cry baby brat, and it was just one more reason for me to avoid flying again whenever possible.

Parents should have to pay double for little kids to travel on planes.
150 posted on 01/23/2007 1:02:30 PM PST by Radix (My Tag Line has a first name....its O S C A R.)
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To: BJClinton

My Mom and Dad raised eight well-disciplined kids, and Mom always said that the terrible twos were a myth - it was the terrible two-and-a-half and three that would get you.

Granted, there's a difference between a kid who's almost four, and we don't know how old this little girl was. In either case, even if they couldn't shut her up instantly, they could have moved her. That's the part I don't get. Same with slapping Mom. That wouldn't have flown - no pun intended.


151 posted on 01/23/2007 1:03:18 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: presidio9
The father said his family would never fly AirTran again.

Thank goodness, because I just put them on my list to fly.

152 posted on 01/23/2007 1:05:52 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: linda_22003
That's ok. This is the first time I have seen it.
153 posted on 01/23/2007 1:06:51 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: steadfastconservative
today's child-rearing experts don't believe in original sin and they think just the opposite, that children are naturally good and well-behaved.

That's actually a Victorian-era invention, the concept that children are naturally innocent until they are corrupted by the world.

154 posted on 01/23/2007 1:09:56 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Truth29

Here you gohttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1772427/posts


155 posted on 01/23/2007 1:11:56 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: presidio9

What happened to the old stand-by of offering up a sip of Ny-Quill an hour before boarding?


156 posted on 01/23/2007 1:13:14 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: presidio9
The father said his family would never fly AirTran again.

AirTran just won a new customer -- me!

157 posted on 01/23/2007 1:14:08 PM PST by It's me
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To: presidio9
The flight was already delayed 15 minutes

End of story. With turn around as tight as it is they were reaching the point of having a "cascade effect" that would end with people missing their connections.

Mom, Dad, Grasp your little darling firmly and put her in her seat. Now fasten the seat belt. I would ask you to put your hand over her mouth but undoubtedly some whining overly sensitive type would throw a fit.

But the kid's butt need to be in her seat or we are not going anywhere. If you are incapable of doing that I question your fitness as a parent.

158 posted on 01/23/2007 1:18:44 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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To: Muzzle_em

The Osteens (and any other goat-herder masquerading as a shepherd) would use any travel carrier that would exalt them adequately. I doubt Air-Tran would do that. We agree.


159 posted on 01/23/2007 1:22:54 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Just another Joe

LOL I used counting with my son too. He could "count" before he could really talk. Id start with oonnee and hed say "twooo", but I never had to get to 3:)


160 posted on 01/23/2007 1:59:25 PM PST by OMalley (Without love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing. St. Therese, "the little flower")
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