Posted on 01/19/2007 11:17:55 AM PST by PDR
With a few dissents, Sen. Mel Martinez (R-FL) was elected general chair of the Republican Nat'l Cmte this afternoon. RNC general counsel Mike Duncan was elected chair.
Number one, his numbers aren't bad on SOME issues, but his record is nowhere near as conservative as Tancredo's.
Number two, I'm sure the Vidkun Quisling was a bang up guy at running things except for that whole collaborating with the invaders and selling his country out thing.
I did some Googling on Martinez and found that not only is Martinez an pro-amnesty, reward-the-criminal-invaders OBL, but he's also a liar.
When running for office in 2004, on his campaign website, he stated, "I oppose amnesty for illegal aliens." Yet he later co-sponsored the Hagel-Martinez amnesty legislation.
To get elected, he also said, “Our immigration policy, however, must first and foremost ensure the security of our great nation and its citizens.” Yet, he later voted against an amendment to put amnesty on hold until the border was secured.
To get elected, he said, “I support a plan that matches workers with needy employers without providing a path to citizenship.” But then he went on to vote against the amendment to strip the "path to citizenship" provisions from a so-called "guest worker" bill.
He also said, “Immigration to this country must always be done through legal means.” Yet, he spent his time supporting legislation that rewarded millions of criminals who entered this country through ILLEGAL means.
You're ignoring the elephant in the room just because Martinez voted like a Republican SHOULD vote on other issues. It's like saying that we should all eat the chocolate cake even though we know that while the cake is well frosted and decorated, one of the ingredients was changed from the correct recipe and manure was used instead. Just hold your nose and eat it...
As I said, you guys are going to have to work out some sort of compromise.
Or not. It's not my state. If you want to sit and feud amongst yourselves while the democrats run things, that's your business.
I don't suppose it would be even remotely helpful to tell you that your definition of "Amnesty", and the rest of the Tancredo crowd, is incorrect as a matter of English (a language you prize so highly that you are offended if you have to press 1 to hear it), and doesn't make any sense politically, and that every single thing you listed is entirely defensible as not being a lie at all, and that you just want to think that because you want to win the arguement, would it?
Very wise. Some of us [me] had to learn the hard way.
Maybe this is Bush's strategy to get the Latino vote.
Oh, so it will be Martinez instead of President Bush now? And who is he going to drive out, all of the same border nuts who have been posting here for five years that they will never give another dime to the RNC?
You made your bed by voting for Bush, now lie down in it.
Here in OK, we sent Dr. Coburn to the Senate and he has been fighting ever since to get spending cut. It is the other states that need a wake-up call IMHO. We have done our part in all but one district to send conservatives to Congress.
If bush thinks this is going to get latino support, he couldnt be more wrong. If latinos were the target, then the last election should have said more to him. He hasnt hardly lifted a finger to stop the influx into this country of illegals, and he should have been saying,"Look---I havent been trying to stop you coming here". The latinos appear to be more aligned to liberals that are, as usual, promising something for nothing.
Well, better to take a chance at bush than kerry---or gore, or hillary, or any other flaming liberal you care to name. With a liberal, you automatically know you'll get abomination--at least voting repub gives you a dice roll for logic. Still, neither Ds nor Rs have the best interests of our populace at heart, and thats why I am an independent now. When we get someone that will get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US, I'll cheer.
Well, there would be zero logic in casting a vote for kerry. At least with a repub, you get a chance that something good will happen. We appear to have lost with dubya.
I eagerly await the return of common sense to the republican party. The values that I was brought up with appear to have been abandoned by them. So many changes need to take place, and at the top of the list is accountability being enforced on the politicians in DC. Liberals will never vote for this, so all I can do is hope.
I haven't a clue as to what you are talking about.
Was the amnesty that Congress passed and Pres. Reagan signed into law in 1986 an amnesty?
1.)There is no position of "General Director" or "General Chairman" in the RNC. This position was invented to put Mel 'Amnesty' Martinez into an officer position in the RNC. To create such an office, a change to the bylaws would have to be appropriately proposed and voted on. It was not.2.)An officer of the RNC must be a standing member of the national committee. Mel 'Amnesty' Martinez is not a member of that committee. To be a member of the committee, you have to be an elected national committeeman from your state. Mel 'Amnesty' Martinez is not.
See this article from the Washington Times for info on this controversy. I was especially impressed with Randy Pullen's comments. I've met Randy Pullen several times and was privileged to vote for him as a state delegate to the AZ GOP convention where he was elected. He won against the pro-abort RINO candidate by only 3 votes. Right now Pullen is running for state GOP chairman to replace incompetent, do-nothing, backstabber Matt Salmon. The McCain-backed establishment RINOs are running a candidate against Pullen because, like many here on FR, that can't stand to see a principled conservative Republican win any election.
Do you happen to know what percentage of latinos vote R as opposed to D?
This thread makes me think that someone should start a poll to vote for which of our FReepers is the most liberal! LOL
Does anybody have a vote count? Who voted against him?
Campaign Finance Reform notwithstanding, if you wish to fall prey to the MSM's sloganeering, it's still a free country and you may do as you wish. Neither political party, of late, has acted with any overriding concern for the needs of America or the American people; that is not just the domain of the GOP. The discussion is about withholding any contributions to the RNC under Martinez. If Martinez can't deliver the bucks to individual GOP candidates . . . . . well, money still talks and BS still walks. Martinez will have a VERY short rein as RNC chair.
I agree with everything you've said. This "high road" leads to an unfair fight with the dems, who will stop at nothing.
We may maintain the "high moral ground", but may end up losing elections. So what's the point?
I agree, but I am not sure a third party is the answer. Perhaps completely replacing the Republican party like the Republican party replaced the Whig Party is a better strategy. I read a good argument the other day and I forget where at the moment. The argument was that the United States is largely run by 2 political parties, not 3. That is largely the reason 3rd. party attempts have failed in the past.
I don't see a big difference between the Dim's and the R's, but I see lots of partisan bomb throwing with the American people between them.
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