Posted on 01/18/2007 11:40:34 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
Clay: (05:40:27.1) It's amazing though right now. They are using everybody pretty efficiently. Um, just shows you what they can do. Like I mean I don't have more than 10 hours in a hotel, any of these days that I've been on.
Polehinke: (05:40:38.2) Really.
Clay: (05:40:38.7) And it's been that way for all month. Now September rolls around, and I'll guarantee you it'll be a different story.
Polehinke: (05:44:04.9) I guess, when I'm, I'm deciding on making a major decision, if it doesn't feel right in my gut. Or if I don't have a little voice, if it starts talking to me, and I'm like I need to re-evaluate.
Clay: (05:44:29.5) Yeah.
Polehinke: (05:44:43.2) You know it'd be nice to go over there and fly heavy metal, fly international, but they work you hard over there (JFK) I've been told.
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Polehinke: (5:52:22) I'll take us to Atlanta.
Clay: (5:52:24) Sure.
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Polehinke: (5:56:34) Right seat flex takeoff procedures off of um ... he said what runway? One of 'em. Two four.
Clay: (05:56:43) It's two two.
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Clay: (06:00:09) Both kids were sick though, they, well they all got colds. It was an interesting dinner last night.
Polehinke: (06:00:16) Really.
Clay: (06:00:16) Huh, oh gosh.
Polehinke (06:00:19) How old are they?
Clay: (06:00:20) Three months and two years old. Who was sneezing, either nose wiped, diaper change. I mean that's all we did all night long.
Polehinke: (06:00:31) Oh yeah, I'm sure.
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Polehinke: (6:06:07) Set thrust, please.
Clay: (6:06:11) Thrust set.
Polehinke: (6:06:13) That is weird with no lights.
Clay: (6:06:18) Yeah. One-hundred knots.
Polehinke: (6:06:25) Checks.
Clay: (6:06:31) V-one rotate. Whoa.
(6:06:33) Sound of impact, unintelligible exclamation.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Human error.
"No matter how hard you try to make something idiot-proof, they just keep coming out with improved idiots."
Kind of chilling and very sad ... especially the guy talking about his little kids.
We have a safety officer at every station in our volunteer fire department, who usually nags everyone constantly about protective equipment, apparatus use, tools, positioning, alertness, etc. It used to annoy me until I learned that it's usually the silly little stuff you don't give much thought to that gets you into trouble.
Would fully automated take-offs and landings by on-board computers, with a human pilot and navigator always present with the ability to over-ride, be safer? Is such a thing technically possible now?
Here is the airport diagram for reference. Look at the difference in length between runway 26 and runway 22. There is no 24 (two four) as mentioned by Polehinke.
http://myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00697AD.PDF
Any bets that neither of these pilots had military experience? I do not know, but I say "not" as an educated guess.
Perhaps it would be safer, but it will never eliminate human error 100%.
However, it should be noted that as a race, we are getting better at solving our deficiencies through technology.
Also note the minimum takeoff distance for a CRJ is about 1,768 meters which is 5,800 feet. Runway 26 is only 3500 feet in length.
But, the pilot corrects him at that point and indicates it is 22.
Neither one looked at a compass to check, even after they remarked about the lack of runway lighting.
If it had been daytimne this never whould have happened. We need to stop flying planes at night. And when it's cloudy.
It's just too darned dangerous.
What's sad is that neither took the extra few minutes to check why there weren't any runway lights.
Let's just go back to horse and buggies.....wait......let's just go back to walking......no.....let's just stay home.
Yes, and as another poster pointed out, they did not check their runway when the FO called it wrong (24) and the pilot corrected him and said (22).
Being military aircrew and a private pilot, I can tell you with 99% probability what that last "unintelligible exclamation" was.
Four letters and starts with an "S".
Just because there's no lights doesn't mean they couldn't see the runway. Has there been an indication that this mattered in the crash?
The lack of lights was not a factor in the crash. The lack of lights was another indicator that they were on the wrong runway since runway 26 is not lit and runway 22 is lit. That is something clearly noted in the airport map.
Yeah. Get the plasma and netflicks and life is good!
I study air crashes and I can assure you that the final minutes of any CVR will be chilling. That's just the way it is. It's odd because these people don't know what's ahead.
This was a very bad case of human error - looking at the situation (the wrong runway, for one, and the lack of lights) you would be very surprised that something like this would happen.
This crash actually had a survivor, though.
Yes, it was the FO who was at the controls.
I can imagine he must have a serious case of survivor's remorse.
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