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Insurers told: All or none [Homeowners Insurance in FL]
The St. Petersburg Times ^ | 1/18/2007 | Jennifer Liberto and Joni James

Posted on 01/18/2007 9:00:06 AM PST by doc30

TALLAHASSEE - Florida lawmakers appear ready to deliver on one of Gov. Charlie Crist's campaign promises to punish insurers who have retreated from the state's property market while still writing other insurance in the Sunshine State, such as auto.

In a surprise voice vote Wednesday, the Florida Senate agreed to force Florida insurance companies who write property insurance in other states to offer it here if they want to continue writing any insurance in this state. The House has a similar proposal.

"The 'cherry-picking' in this state has got to stop," said Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey, as he proposed the new language on the Senate floor with co-sponsor Sen. Ronda Storms, R-Brandon. "We've got to send a message to the insurance industry, because we've heard that message from our homeowners back home that they won't tolerate the cherry-picking in this state any longer."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; insurance
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To: Red Badger

Yikes.


81 posted on 01/18/2007 11:05:04 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: doc30
as one friend of mine once said about Insurance:

It's the best legal way to literally PRINT MONEY that you can get away with!!

I think they are right.

82 posted on 01/18/2007 11:08:27 AM PST by prophetic
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To: MARTIAL MONK

It could happen........when it snows in Key West...........


83 posted on 01/18/2007 11:10:26 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: gcruse
"... if a company won't sell any home insurance in Florida, why should we let them sell auto?"

Why should we compel an insurer to offer all lines of business in a particular state? After all, we don't force MetLife to sell homeowner's insurance. Your particular problem in getting homeowner's insurance from State Farm in Florida seems like an internal issue within State Farm having to do with the allocation of business among agents.
84 posted on 01/18/2007 11:12:27 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: Sherman Logan
Should I pay the same amount per $100,000 of value as somebody with a new $5M home right on the beach, which will absolutely, positively be destroyed if a Cat 4 comes ashore there?

You aren't. He has different risks than you do.

85 posted on 01/18/2007 11:13:21 AM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO because I'm too conservative to be a real Republican.)
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To: Malacoda
Didn't they have that problem with auto insurance in NJ a few years ago -- almost all insurers pulled out, and those left hiked the rate up sky-high?

Not sure. I know it happened in my state with health insurance a few years back.
86 posted on 01/18/2007 11:19:45 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: riverdawg

Does MetLife sell home insurance outside Florida? That was the criteria, not just insurance per se.


87 posted on 01/18/2007 11:21:35 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: doc30
Instead of punishing insurers, the legislature needs to find a way to make the market ATTRACTIVE to insurance companies.

No law forces insurance companies to stay in the state, and if they walk out we're all screwed. Insurance companies provide an important service, and if they cannot be profitable, they'll take their business elsewhere.

88 posted on 01/18/2007 11:24:29 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Folks keep in mind, insurance is MANDATORY in many situations.

For example, in FL you MUST have auto insurance so the insurance companies have a captive market.

Policemen: armed insurance agents.

89 posted on 01/18/2007 11:25:32 AM PST by secretagent
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To: doc30

What happened to capitalism?

If house are expensive to insure in Florida, then insurers should be still able to arrive at a price that allows them to offer a policy. For a high enough price, even hurricanes can be accounted for.

Are there other reasons that insurers don't want to do business in Florida (too many regulations, overly litigous environment, etc)?


90 posted on 01/18/2007 11:32:03 AM PST by kidd
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To: dashing doofus

the private marke is not dealing and can not deal as long as insurance is mandatory.

You have no "down pressure" if the product is mandatory.

insurance is not a free market industry.

you can not buy a home without insurance period.

and no you can't just say sell and move because we are not a nation of illiterate dessert nomads in tents. We have homes, jobs and family which mean we don't "just move" to some nowheresville small town.


91 posted on 01/18/2007 11:32:06 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: doc30

This kind of "all or none" gambit hasn't worked very well in the past. Usually the insurance companies will say "Okay, bye...". Then, the insurance coverage falls onto the state or more properly, the government - and hence to the taxpayers. Oh well.


92 posted on 01/18/2007 11:37:35 AM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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To: rodguy911
I am not going to argue about whether the insurance companies have a right to pick and choose but I will note that this web-site believes employers have the right to pick and choose and set policy.

I believe that some property should be uninsurable and if the owner wants to build on it he does so at his own risk. Flood zones, hurricane zones, mud-slide zones, etc. I am sick of reimbursing and subsidizing via increased insurance rates on all of us for these property owners. I would venture a guess that most of this type of property is owned by people who could afford the gamble the rest would not take the gamble.

93 posted on 01/18/2007 11:38:45 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: kidd

They just passed medical malpractice reform and the doctors even tried to rewrite the law so it would be financially impossible to sue doctors by caping the contingent fee to 10% of a claim. (it was bypassed which ticked off the doctors)

I think the real issue with the homes is that the house values are so high because this is where people want to live.

How many UBERmansions are there in southdakota?


94 posted on 01/18/2007 11:41:07 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Red Badger

"too many insurance companies . . .no one single company can spread the risk throughout their Florida policyholders"

Nah, they "re-insure" in large conglomorations --- each buying chunks of other company's risks.

Lloyds of London is an example of this.

Re-insurance is a huge business.


95 posted on 01/18/2007 11:41:42 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: longtermmemmory
"Folks keep in mind, insurance is MANDATORY in many situations.

In the case of auto insurance, do you know who the biggest opponent of "mandatory" auto insurance is? Yep - insurance companies. This sounds counter-intuitive, but it's not. The reason is partly because there is always a certain percentage of drivers who will never get automobile insurance regardless of what the law is. Or, they will pay for one month and then renege on the rest. It's just a big headache and costs them more than it's worth.
96 posted on 01/18/2007 11:41:53 AM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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To: longtermmemmory

"insurance is mandatory"

Only liability insurance is mandatory.

Yes, most mortgage companies require casualty insurance, but that is a private issue.


97 posted on 01/18/2007 11:43:33 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Funny you should mention LOL. They are now one of the insurance companies of last resort here in Florida.........


98 posted on 01/18/2007 11:44:08 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Snoopers-868th

How about just making it illegal for a bank to require wind storm insurance on a residential (for homestead) home?

since forcing everyone to have insurance did not work out.


99 posted on 01/18/2007 11:45:07 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
How about just making it illegal for a bank to require wind storm insurance on a residential (for homestead) home? since forcing everyone to have insurance did not work out.

What, you mean base a home mortgage solely on good credit? Why that wouldn't be fair to the disadvantaged! LOL Home insurance for fire I can see as a requirement and protection of the mortgage but I agree wind and storm should be an option and not a requirement. Neither do I believe the federal government should pay for the damage.

Don't even get me started on car insurance as I think that is the greatest of ripoffs. Penalties for those driving with no insurance not to mention driver license are insignificant. No fault is a farce!

100 posted on 01/18/2007 11:53:58 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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