Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
Reward your friends and punish your enemies - that's fundamental. We should have declared Kurdistan the minute the 4th ID was off the docks in Turkey.
Many, many modernist liberals like the President would literally rather die than live in the world as it is.
It's not properly called "idiocy" - that's a function of IQ.
It's failure to break the indoctrination of liberalism, and in a statesman it's maladministration at best.
It will come to that.
He doesn't admit it because he doesn't believe it.
He doesn't believe it because he doesn't WANT to, and since he's the most important and powerful man in the world, he feels that what he wants, he should get.
He WANTS Islam to be a Religion of Peace, so, presto -it is!
Was it JUST to incinerate hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese mothers and babies in the Tokyo firestorm? Was it just to kill millions over a purely military attack in Hawaii?
Terrorism will not be stopped by tighter immigrations laws. The terrorist organizations and regime will devise a way to create terrorists who are already legally here in the United States including US citizens; not just naturalized US citizens but American born citizens. The terrorist attacks in London in July 2005 were carried out by British born citizens. We are fighting a global war on terror and to win it we must go to the heart of the Middle East and fight the terrorists there. That is why Iraq is now the central front of the war on terror. Every terrorist in the world is coming to fight us there including the terrorists supported by Iran and Syria, and once we crush them and defeat them in Iraq, we will change the whole map of the Middle East and create extremely difficult conditions for terrorism to flourish in the Middle East or elsewhere.
There is almost nothing I like about FDR, but his way, after Dec 7th, was right. Five years after 9-11 there was a fleeting moment to do the same, and I'm not sure we can get it back.
You are arguing over what is POSSIBLE, when you should be arguing over what is NECESSARY.
Our present war policy guarantees defeat, both tactical and strategic.
My war policy, articulated here over and over again since 9/12/01, is the raising of and Army, Navy, and Marine Corps of sufficient size and ground combat power to conquer, occupy, and reconstruct all of Arabia and Pakistan.
Everyone always jumps on me by pointing out that the People would never accept such a policy. Fine.
But the reality of the war which has been declared against us has ZERO to do with what our People will accept or consent to. The war will go on, whatever we do or don't do, or whoever holds power in Washington, until we are defeated or they are defeated.
Our impending defeat in Iraq is only a battle, that's true.
But it will provide the fuel for an enormous expansion of enemy battle capability.
Torie, your reasoning goes like this:
We need a draft to field an army and marine corps of sufficient size to win.
But, if we do that, Republicans will be unpopular.
THEREFORE, what we are willing to do will be sufficient.
Unfortunately, that just doesn't follow.
Would you clarify that? That we should have declared the northern part of Iraq autonomous?
My son is in Kirkuk and he has a lot of respect for the Kurdish population and the military units being trained.
Also, I thought the 4th ID was floating in the Med when the Turks said "no" and they had to sail to the Persian Gulf and go into Iraq from the south?
Bingo, many Westerners (Americans), still don't get the big picture...that 'Islam has been trying to take over the world since the 600's'. Soccer moms would laugh in your face if you pointed that out, but if Muslims blew up a school a la Beslan and slaughtered several hundred American children, they'd understand. Sadly, it might come to that.
Heartening to go to St. Benedict Abbey in Still River, MA, and every Sunday hear the priest ask for prayers for our president. They even mention the enemy by name and point out the historical context of Islam vs. the West. And the Catholic TV channel urges defense of faith, of Christianity. 'Stand up for Christianity. Speak out!' (These are some brave voices in the wilderness of MA. Hopefully, there are more.)
Actually, it was Vicomte13 who called him an idiot and in my reply I disagreed.
Not all incompetence is born of low-IQ, President Bush is quite smart.
And, yes, the minute Turkey said "no", we should have issued a Balfour Declaration for the Kurds and said we would back it up with US forces.
Of all the stupidities in this sad business, making American policy turn on guaranteeing the territorial integrity of the fictitious state called "Iraq" was the first, and the worst.
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It may be that we have different definitions of "hijacked". Perhaps a better description might be "infiltrated". On that we might agree.
As long as Mr. Robinson owns this site, I don't believe it can be hijacked. There's no doubt though that it is continuously subject to attempts to infiltrate and manipulate, however.
Thanks, I didn't know we had equipment on the docks.
Bingo. And God help us, just this morning Kerry announced he didn't have a timetable for whether he'd run in '08. (Meaning he thinks he still has a chance, once Hill and Obama are toast.) The dems can't wait to 'have a dialogue' with Islam's big boys. And with Obama's Muslim background they might think he'd be useful on the ticket, V.P....if worse came to worst and Chicago or LA were nuked.
You are so right. There should be an alarm bell ringing. Think of Spain's election after the Madrid train bombing...they caved. Think what the EU, the UK -- with large Muslim populations -- will be like if America exits Iraq with less than total victory.
Those that you mentioned are more than just defeatists they are TRAITORS.
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