Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
You said -- "Essentially then you have given up on civilization. On nations acting in concert and with just war force. Your answer for jihad is jihad."
Yes, during WWII we "gave up on civilization" in order to save it. We fire-bombed Dresden into flames, we burned Tokyo as much as we could, we flattened two Japanese cities of civilians with our atomic bombs (the only ones ever used to kill civilians to this day). We absolutely slaughtered people (civilians) in order to win the war and win it quickly. That's history, and we did it.
In this country, we quit making cars for several years turning them into military factories, we rationed things to the public, we put people to work specifically making things for the war, we had people *forgo* normal lives (as they knew before the war) in order to win the war.
So, yes, during times of true war, we do give up on civilization, in order to gain it back once again.
And unless we do that again, here and now, with the evil political idealogy of Islam, we will lose our civilization instead of trying to save it with some false ideas a "gentleman's war" (which the Islamic hoards care nothing about).
Regards,
Star Traveler
Well, it sure is easy reading and writing stuff that everyone agrees with. But if that's all we did, it would be quite boring. I like an occasional debate. If someone posts a liberal argument, most of us pounce on him. But that's a good thing.
You said -- "You just outed yourself....defeatist."
And I suppose that means that you've outed yourself, as an Osama-weanie...
Regards,
Star Traveler
"I also hope that if it is else, the US hangs around to effect a "just" partition."
There's not going to be a partition (Divided Iraq).
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For the life of me, I cannot understand when this started happening around here; it's truly amazing.
That reply makes NO sense at all. You're being ridiculous!
The replies get more ridiculous by the day.
The only thing I can figure is that we've been invaded by a bunch of uneducated, ill-informed StormFronters.
We've been invaded by them, Dem plants, and things I would get banned for saying on a thread.
The enemy's strategy is aimed squarely at our political process and providing political opportunities for those willing to run off and let them win. It worked in Algeria and it is working now.
Realism is not defeatism, it is simply refusing to shut one's eyes. Iran is winning and driving world events, the US is reactive and defensive. The gross discrepancy in our favor in real power terms is irrelevant if none of our leaders will use it, and they won't.
It's a known fact Putin's Russia continues arming Iran & Syria with the means to wage war. Syria and Iran are responsible for infiltrating jihadist killers into Iraq who in turn murder American and other Coalition troops, however there are few arch defenders of Putin on FR, which is tantamount to giving aid & comfort to the weapons supplying enemy behind our enemies.
I will support our troops no matter what....
and
I will remain a conservative until I die.
But Bush and Crowd have betrayed solid republican values in ways that don't have anything to do with the war on terror. (Buts thats a whole 'nother topic)
If I had been president, would I have gone into Afganistan and Iraq....no.
Why not....?
The Truth is, we are fighting a religion called Islam.
No one, not even the President wants to admit that....which really puzzles me.
Why is it that GOOD Muslims are radical and are carrying their Jihad to the west while "bad" (moderate?) or milquetoast muslims are marginalized and ineffective.
I think that Political Correctness is getting more Americans killed and will continue to do so.
There is only one solution to "terror". Advise Syria, Iran, and any other country that is actively supporting terror that they will suffer the consequences if there are any more attacks.....but this being a public forum I cannot go into more details of the "Final Solution" with Islam and as a Christian I have Faith that God is really in control and that He will use the evil of Islam for His Own Good Purposes.
I wish that the solutions to the worlds problems and those that we discuss here had political solutions....but alas that is the Big Lie....the real solutions to the world's problems are found in God and His Word.
How about Dem Bears?
It's DA Bears and they didn't do all that well.
My union (when I was still working, I'm now retired) the AFL-CIO was against the war from Day One. I remember our union steward being vocal about this. In the last election, they conducted a massive get-out-the-vote effort that was very effective in my state of PA in turning Republicans out of office. I even got a mailing from them, and I'm retired and no longer paying union dues.
I hate football, so it all hardly registered.
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