Defeatists On Free Republic Who Are Giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy

January 18 2007 | jveritas

[sofaman]

hey Ali....have been popping in and out...constant interruptions at work, I'm afraid. Lucky if I get to FReep for longer than 15 mins at a time...hope that you and all the Ali's are doing great...

btw, thanks for the heads ups such as the UK Undercover Doc...fascinating stuff

[arthurus]

"Losing" in Iraq probably means losing Israel and allowing Iran to develop as much of a nuclear weapon and delivery system as their oil money can afford that will eventually, and not a long eventually, be capable of reaching the continental US. Our anti missile system might be much better then than it is now but it would be better to forestall the problem than to have to rely on countering it. And Russia will be helping a successful Iran that has beaten or proved immune to America.

[pollyannaish]

Thank you, again, Mr. Freeper of the Year.

BTTT.

[MEGoody]

But you acknowledge that it's true. So it really shouldn't matter if the libs say it.

Having the right to do something doesn't mean one should automatically do it. With rights come responsibility. People want the former but don't want to exercise the latter.

How do we balance civil liberty with civic responsibility in a time of war?

Patriotic citizens will take into account the consequences of exercising their right to criticize. Unpatriotic citizens don't care about the consequences, especially to others. They just want to open their yaps up and grab some attention.

[jveritas]

Here is another McCarhty charge!

Anyway McCarthy was right.

[pinz-n-needlez]

Emboldened the disrupters and trolls around here, too.

[jveritas]

Soccrer:

You are exactly correct. Also we need to be careful that some defeatist hide their defeatism under the "Macho Talk" but at the end they say everything is lost, we cannot win, let us leave, etc....

[pollyannaish]

You are correct philosophically...but wrong functionally. If the President is not supported in this...any lack of support for him is automatically perceived as support for the Democrat plan.

The press is not capable of grasping the nuance, and if we do not at LEAST support what the President is proposing, the funding will be cut and we will lose something we MUST win.

It may not be what we want, but it is what it is and to fail to understand that is to undermine the war effort. You've got only two choices...support the President, or support the Dems. There are NO other options at this point. How you respond to that, is the difference between winning and losing.

[roaddog727]

Bravo.

That needed to be said.

Bumperoo!

[Miss Marple]

We won't get a few days respite next time. The liberals learned from their mistake, and they are all ready to blame the President if we are attacked again.

Look at their behavior after Katrina, and you can see the game plan for the next 9/11. I believe they will be on TV IMMEDIATELY blaming the President.

There are no second chances. Any new attack won't cause the unification of this country; the Rats and the media will make sure we are at each others' throats.

[Doghouse Riley]

How you respond to that, is the difference between winning and losing.

No, it's the difference between losing quickly, and losing in a long drawn out delaying action.

Which is still a valid difference of course....

[rfp1234]

--“Defeatists” unfortunately are very loud and they are all over the place--

Kudos, JV, for carrying on the good fight. I'm with you 1000%.

Just like Vietnam, Defeatists are trying to turn victory into a loss, and gloat about it later. After the Paris Peace Accords, there was a basic understanding with the North that if they #$%@d with South Vietnam they'd get bombed back to the Paleolithic.

The only "loss" in Vietnam was after the wussiest Congress in history (up to now, perhaps) stabbed our ally in the back and stupidly voted to cut off ALL funding (not just military).

The worst thing that can happen now is for reasonable Americans to similarly jump on the MaimScream Media's bandwagon, and join the UpChuck Hagels of the world in caving to the Defeatocrats.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"I don't like being scolded for not thinking exactly like an individual or group thinks I should."

I wasn't scolding you for your position, just defining it and your response here confirms my understanding of it. Whatever you believe about the war, what you are saying is that we are fighting it wrong and are losing which is pretty much the point of jveritas' rant. jveritas might have been scolding you but only if you accept his statements as applying to you. Do they?

I say you are misreading what is happening in Iraq but you still the right to be wrong. You also have the right to feel as offended as you choose, right or wrong.

If my post bothers you, hit the abuse button. I really don't see either of us doing that, but you never know.

Michael Frazier

[melancholy]

Threads like this one are a good bait :)

OK, JV, you baited me!! LOL

I took some flak on kristinn's Thanksgiving thread and others when I said that this CIC will not leave office without bombing Iran and that is absolutely necessary for a win in Iraq, solving nagging problems in the ME and sending a strong message to Russia, China and North Korea. All this is in the interest of our national security. We'll see soon enough.

I don't mind opposing opinions but I minded the personal attacks precipitated, in a large part, by ignorance about the ME.

[Miss Marple]

So, you are saying losing is inevitable?

I guess you are determined to prove jveritas's point.

[NY Attitude]

Take off the gloves and fight like we did in WW II. A elongated war that includes pacification and appeasement of in-country officials only gets more of our military men and women killed. I am for total victory and if the civilians are part of the logistics supply train for the enemy then they are the enemy and should be dealt with accordingly.

[jveritas]

Exactly AV, freeper spirochette showed us how to be a DEFEATSIT.

[trisham]

Anyone who ever utters something like . . . "maybe its best if Hillary wins because that will teach America a lesson and we'll come out ahead in the long run as a result" . . . probably is a candidate for banning. This is the kind of thing that is intended to sap intensity.

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Interesting proposal. I'm not sure if I agree, but it's worthy of consideration.

[agincourt1415]

I ask my fellow Freepers to read this link: Talks about Iwo Jima.

The scale of our losses there, might bring Iraq into perspective a little.

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,NI_Iwo_Jima,00.html

[april15Bendovr]

Its sad that anyone in the FReeper community paying attention to any of your facts and translations could come up with a different conclusions on the War in Iraq therefor capitulating to the monsters in the drive by media.

My guess is they were not paying attention

People need to take another look at the politics behind the Iraq Study Group and the 911 Commission.