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From trophy wife to toxic wife
Telegraph ^ | 16 January 2007

Posted on 01/15/2007 7:16:36 PM PST by Lorianne

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To: AppyPappy
Well, I can see that you would be a real involved dad. (sarcasm)

Any guy who plays golf all day when his wife has been up all week with a baby feeding at 11:00 p.m., 2:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. (and taking care of a two year old and four year old during the day) would be considered a selfish jerk by a lot of people, including my husband!

I don't put my kids up for adoption, but I have adopted. Your advice is noted, however.

201 posted on 01/16/2007 12:52:41 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: DugwayDuke
Actually, golf isn't a hot button topic for me, but it sure is for a lot of women around here in my community. :)
202 posted on 01/16/2007 12:55:23 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Don't we all ... and I think they call that love .. ;)


203 posted on 01/16/2007 12:55:52 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Redleg Duke

Awwww .. c'mon now. Maybe going a little too far?


204 posted on 01/16/2007 12:56:50 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: romanesq

hahahaha

Yea, you gotta just keep on walking when you see a gal who spends more on shoes than some 3rd world nations national GDPs.

If I was in NYC, the ONLY women I'd even remotely consider dating would be 1st or second generation immigrants... I've spent enough time in Manhattan to know those are the only marrying kind you are going to find there.

Well marrying kind that aren't going to suck the soul out of you anyway.


205 posted on 01/16/2007 12:57:48 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: LaineyDee

"I find it interesting you referred to women who made more than the man...yet still received alimony. What state was this in? I don't know many women who make more than their male counterparts....if they're on the same level scholastically."

California. In TX, women still are not paid as well as their male peers. OTOH, I could not do the job my husband does as it requires knowledge of industrial facilities and all the infinite things that can go wrong due to people and/or eqpt.

In fact, the field of qualified persons is so limited that he's on the last stretch of his BS degree which the position required and couldn't find anyone with it who was capable!

You're a pretty special person, I think, and I apologize for what you could have taken as a bit of a nasty post. I'm glad you see I did NOT mean it that way.

What you describe happened to my parents. Mom put dad through med school, working all the time, and then he hung around with a nurse and she ditched him. She shouldn't have; he'd never have married that strumpet and she wasn't ever happy after dumping him and he never paid child support. We were better off without him - sorry, [/rant]


206 posted on 01/16/2007 12:58:09 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Redleg Duke

BTW .. the other shoe fits as well. I was very stupidly and naively too trusting in my 20's and 30's. Yup: 2 nuclear-level toxic men........ one an alcoholic (I didn't know then you could be an alcoholic from drinking *just* beer), and the other, who it turned out inherited the family cruelty and control disease >> talk about not trusting my own judgement .. whew!


207 posted on 01/16/2007 1:04:44 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: DollyCali

ty for the welcome.


208 posted on 01/16/2007 1:06:59 PM PST by woollyone (a man self-deceived is twice deceived)
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To: Fred Hayek

Aw Fred, the majority of us gals are not like that.


209 posted on 01/16/2007 1:11:22 PM PST by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. Now I try to be amused.)
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To: romanesq
The traditional male / female role models have survived all these centuries for a myriad of reasons. There's a lot to be said about mutual respectful for the before-mentioned. We don't call a plumber to repair our vehicles, do we?

IMHO, the Bible explains the true definition of love in that love is about sacrifice and that's without a doubt, always a 2-way street in marriage.

Regardless, I completely agree with your observations and assessments. Hmmmm. Just think what may run through one's mind at the end of their time here on earth when, if there's any true conscious to be found still in their heart(s), that all they managed to do in a lifetime is focus on image, material possessions and the constant application of deceit and selfishness to obtain it and flaunt it?

210 posted on 01/16/2007 1:16:55 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Froufrou
S'ok. No offense taken. I hate that happened to your Mom and Dad...for I see it so often. It's not fair....but I do believe everything has a reason...and a season.

I thought I could make things work....with a very uncooperative spouse. Afterwards...it took a few years to get over the fact I'd lost my "superwoman cape"...and realize the only person we can change .....is ourselves.

I do miss the security I felt in having a marriage....but don't miss the turmoil. :)

211 posted on 01/16/2007 1:32:35 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: boxerblues
When the first thing out of a new dates mouth is, So how much money do you make?

I can't tell you how many times I have been asked that question. I have never asked it of any man. The real world is not like FR where the men think they are innocent victims of evil, gold digging skanks. There are plenty of opportunistic male gold diggers out there who want nothing more than a woman to support them.

212 posted on 01/16/2007 1:41:40 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah (The N.O. Mass is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.)
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To: LaineyDee

It's natural to feel grief when a marriage is lost. Been there, done that! I worry that our girl is engaged to a man who's very 'thrifty' and makes much more than she does, yet expects her to pay half of everything...even after they marry!

She already admitted she has no money left after bills, yet she wants her own account to make purchases without having to get permission. Sheesh, no wonder his first wife dumped him.

I'm glad you're a good mom and that you are free to enjoy your life!


213 posted on 01/16/2007 1:41:41 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Well...knock that girl down and drag her backwards from the altar! She has no idea what she's getting into. :)


214 posted on 01/16/2007 1:47:55 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Lorianne

I wonder if 'Desperate Housewives' has anything to do with this? :)


215 posted on 01/16/2007 1:51:19 PM PST by Conservative4Ever
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To: Froufrou; DollyCali

Thank you, Froufrou, for adding me!

I trust you completely, but may I ask you to what thingie I've been added?

;-)


216 posted on 01/16/2007 1:55:23 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: pax_et_bonum

The singles ping list (but you were already on it)

Hi!

Usually during day I work & take FReep breaks. Today I FReeped & took work breaks.

Like today better than other days


217 posted on 01/16/2007 1:56:58 PM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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To: DollyCali

Hello, Dolly!

Sounds like today is a good day for you... it's good here, too - it's cooooold and I luuuuv it!



218 posted on 01/16/2007 2:01:17 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: JenB
Go out and be with friends, and worry about a girlfriend later.

I do quite a bit of that. It's just I haven't found any of the female variety that I think I should be with.
219 posted on 01/16/2007 2:16:45 PM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: RSmithOpt

Mutual respect in the context of a marriage with God present forestalls any hidden agendas where selfishness dwells or emotional baggage prevails.

But I've only learned this from all my buddies who don't hold marriage in the idealistic esteem I do. Of course they are all married and I'm not. :)


220 posted on 01/16/2007 2:56:32 PM PST by romanesq
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