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Snow: 'Border agents must obey law, too'
WND ^ | January 13, 2007

Posted on 01/13/2007 9:25:57 PM PST by Mr. Mojo

Those who have been lobbying for a presidential pardon or other intervention from the government on behalf of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents sentenced to prison for shooting an escaping drug dealer in the buttocks should review the evidence in their cases, White House spokesman Tony Snow told WND.

"They (agents Jose Alonso Compean, 28, and Ignacio Ramos, 37) eventually went before a … jury – and were convicted on 11 of 12 counts, by a U.S. attorney who has prosecuted any number of cases. But the facts of this case are such that I would invite everybody to take a full look at the documented record," Snow said.

"This is not the case of the United States saying, we are not going to support people who go after drug dealers. Of course we are. We think it's incumbent to go after drug dealers, and we also think that it's vitally important to make sure that we provide border security so our people are secure," he continued.

"We also believe that the people who are working to secure that border themselves obey the law. And in a court of law, these two agents were convicted on 11 of 12 counts by a jury of their peers after a lengthy trial at which they did have the opportunity to make their case," he said.

His response came to a question from Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent at the White House:

"A nationally syndicated columnist, Phyllis Schlafly, reports the following, and this is a quote: 'President Bush pardoned 16 criminals, including five drug dealers, at Christmastime, but so far has refused to pardon two U.S. Border Patrol agents who were trying to defend America against drug smugglers.' And my question: If Mrs. Schlafly was at all inaccurate in this statement, you would surely rebut, wouldn't you?"

Snow said he couldn't comment about the specifics of pardons. But he said Schlafly's reference should include the details, how "according to the facts presented in court, you had an incident in which there was an attempt to pull somebody over. He finally got pulled over; somebody holds out a gun. Sort of scuffling ensues. And what happens is you've got a fellow running away, and a couple of agents eventually in pursuit, firing 14 shots at him – I think 15, actually. Fourteen by one agent missed, one did strike him in the fleshy hindquarters."

At that point yet, Snow noted, the agents "did not know if he was an illegal. They did not know that there were 700 pounds of marijuana …"

"They also have rights of appeal. So I don't want to be acting here as – I'm not going to be judge and jury, but I do think that there's been a characterization that somehow the government is turning a blind eye toward the law in enforcing the law. And … I think that's the important thing. So take a look at the facts of the case."

He said questions about the fact that the government brought the man back from Mexico and gave him immunity on charges to testify against the agents would have to be answered by a lawyer.

As WND has reported, five congressmen recently issued a call to Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez to intervene.

The lawmakers have asked President Bush to pardon Compean and Ramos, who were sentenced to 12 years and 11 years, respectively, in October. But the sentences are scheduled to begin Jan. 17, and in lieu of a pardon, the congressmen are asking Gonzalez to request the Justice Department to direct federal prosecutors not to oppose a court motion to keep the agents free on bond during the appeals process.

Reps. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.; Ted Poe, R-Texas; Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C.; Duncan Hunter, R-Calif.; and Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.; announced their request in a news conference at the nation's capitol.

The lawmakers cited "discrepancies" in the government's case that they said raised questions as to whether justice was being served. The members of Congress were joined by former Border Patrol agent Andy Ramirez of Friends of the Border Patrol and T.J. Bonner and Rich Pierce of the National Border Patrol Council.

Bush also has received a letter about the case from more than 50 Congress members, and Grassfire.org has an online petition calling on the president to pardon the agents.

"Two brave Border Patrol agents trying to enforce the president's nonsensical border policy ending up being sent to prison, while an illegal alien drug smuggler is given immunity and walks free," Rohrabacher said.

As WND has reported, a federal jury convicted the two after a two-week trial on charges of causing serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence and a civil rights violation.

The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Texas issued a statement in September arguing "the defendants were prosecuted because they had fired their weapons at a man who had attempted to surrender by holding his open hands in the air, at which time Agent Compean attempted to hit the man with the butt of Compean's shotgun, causing the man to run in fear of what the agents would do to him next."

The statement said, "Although both agents saw that the man was not armed, the agents fired at least 15 rounds at him while he was running away from them, hitting him once."

Ramirez of Friends of the Border Patrol said the drug smuggler has "fully contributed to the destruction of two brave agents and their families and has sent a very loud message to the other Border Patrol agents: If you confront a smuggler, this is what will happen to you."

Snow followed up after the press briefing by faxing 12 pages of comment about the case of the border guards, including the statement from U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, as well as a guest column he wrote for the El Paso Times in October.

"Agents Compean and Ramos were not railroaded by some over-zealous prosecutor, they were unanimously found guilty by a jury in a United States federal district court after a trial that lasted more than 2 ½ weeks," he wrote in the newspaper. "The problem for Mr. Compean and Mr. Ramos is that the jury did not believe their stories because they were not true."

"In America," he wrote, "law-enforcement officers do not get to shoot unarmed suspects who are running away, lie about it to their supervisors and file official reports that are false. That is a crime and prosecutors cannot look the other way."

Snow also faxed a six-page analysis of the case, with a list of unsigned myth-fact comparison statements.

On another related question, Kinsolving asked Snow: "What is the White House reaction to The Washington Times reporting that our National Guard troops in the Mexican border near Sasabe, Arizona being required to be disarmed, and who had to evacuate due to incursions by armed Mexicans?"

"Talk to the Border Patrol about that," Snow said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; compean; comprehensiveamnesty; corruption; immigrantlist; injustice; ramos; scotus
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1 posted on 01/13/2007 9:25:59 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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'Border agents must obey law, too'

Too? Who are the others who have to obey it? I thought they got a free pass.

2 posted on 01/13/2007 9:29:56 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

This is disgraceful. Law officers have the right to fire on fleeing suspects, especially on our borders. Snow is merely trying to spin this. I do not know why they are hanging these two guys but it is BS IMO.


3 posted on 01/13/2007 9:32:33 PM PST by calex59
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To: Mr. Mojo
I don't know who the injured maggot was hauling for, but that's a jeffe who has some serious horsepower.
5 posted on 01/13/2007 9:33:27 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Won't take long for the border-bats to be trashing Tony, the facts of the case be damned.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/2006/Sutton%20statement%20re%20compean%20and%20ramos%20conviction.pdf


6 posted on 01/13/2007 9:38:17 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: kots
And Bush, a long time secret liberal, conspired with President Fox, to pack the jury with other secret liberals that secretly work for Hallibutin in Mexico.
7 posted on 01/13/2007 9:40:52 PM PST by neverhillorat (IF THE RATS WIN, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; Mr. Mojo

A great big HMMMMM ping!!


8 posted on 01/13/2007 9:41:19 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Isn't the scum druggie illegal suing the USA? Maybe I'm thinking of some other scuzzy illegal...


9 posted on 01/13/2007 9:47:52 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: Mr. Mojo

The border agents were not protecting Bill Clinton.

If they had been protecting Bill Clinton ala Sandy Berger they would not have anything to worry about.


10 posted on 01/13/2007 9:48:06 PM PST by sport
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To: potlatch


US troops retreat from armed Mexican drug smugglers.....

A proud record for the White House and a signal to Al Qaeda -


11 posted on 01/13/2007 9:50:15 PM PST by devolve ( ....shop_invest_and_hire_wisely)
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To: Tim Long

My feeling from dealing with US Attorneys is they are very pro-gov't and will protect their own. So to throw these too under the bus so to speak, says to me something else may of happened.

The question is - do we trust the Jury to do the right thing?

Right or wrong, I do believe in the strength of our legal system. To start saying that our juries are wrong strikes at the heart of our constitution (in my opinion).

Saying that, it seems fishy.


12 posted on 01/13/2007 9:52:02 PM PST by HotTubDave
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To: calex59
The few main questions I have always had were;
did the government ever match the bullet to the gun of one of the agents?
Additionally did the doctor who removed it testify that it was the bullet removed from the illegal alien drug smuggler?
Is the bullet still available with the DNA of the criminal on the bullet?

Inquiring minds would like to know.
13 posted on 01/13/2007 9:54:51 PM PST by JSteff
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To: calex59
I do not know why they are hanging these two guys but it is BS IMO.

Could it be that they were doing their job too well? Each of these men had over 100 drug busts.

14 posted on 01/13/2007 9:55:29 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: calex59; blackie; Cyrano
you wrote:This is disgraceful. Law officers have the right to fire on fleeing suspects, especially on our borders. Snow is merely trying to spin this. I do not know why they are hanging these two guys but it is BS IMO.

the article tries to spin:

At that point yet, Snow noted, the agents "did not know if he was an illegal. They did not know that there were 700 pounds of marijuana …"

But like you said they DID know he was fleeing and had pulled a gun. Isn't that enough? This is ridiculous. As I told someone who alerted me to this story, pretty soon they'll be charged for even noticing people illegally crossing the border.

15 posted on 01/13/2007 9:59:26 PM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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To: Jrabbit

Yes, he is suing the U.S. government for $5 million alleging that the shooting violated his civil rights.


16 posted on 01/13/2007 10:03:28 PM PST by KittyKares
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To: Mr. Mojo
On another related question, Kinsolving asked Snow: "What is the White House reaction to The Washington Times reporting that our National Guard troops in the Mexican border near Sasabe, Arizona being required to be disarmed, and who had to evacuate due to incursions by armed Mexicans?" "Talk to the Border Patrol about that," Snow said.

And if they answer, they'll probably get sued for slander/libel or made into racists and bigots.

17 posted on 01/13/2007 10:05:54 PM PST by Terriergal (All your church are belong to us! --- The Purpose Driven Church)
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in the last sentence of the document linked in post #6 the Department of Justice confers Constitutional rights (and specifically 4th amendment right to be free from "illegal siezure") on this illegal alien drug smuggler!


18 posted on 01/13/2007 10:06:19 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Mr. Mojo
causing the man to run in fear of what the agents would do to him next.
Like send him to jail for 20 years?
19 posted on 01/13/2007 10:07:53 PM PST by KingKenrod
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To: A.Hun
Ya well i don't know what a border bat is but i do know what a border pimps. I to will take the word of a drug smuggler and a white house flak before the border patrol guys. By the way you pimps have to do better than border bat .
20 posted on 01/13/2007 10:08:34 PM PST by fantom
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