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'The Jihad Now Is Against The Shias, Not The Americans'
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 1-13-2007

Posted on 01/13/2007 3:32:01 PM PST by blam

'The jihad now is against the Shias, not the Americans'

As 20,000 more US troops head for Iraq, Ghaith Abdul-Ahad, the only correspondent reporting regularly from behind the country's sectarian battle lines, reveals how the Sunni insurgency has changed

Saturday January 13, 2007
The Guardian (UK)

An Iraqi man who was stopped by US troops while driving a car loaded with weapons in Ramadi, a Sunni-dominated area, is questioned by soldiers. Photograph: Chris Hondros/Getty Images

One morning a few weeks ago I sat in a car talking to Rami, a thick-necked former Republican Guard commando who now procures arms for his fellow Sunni insurgents. Rami was explaining how the insurgency had changed since the first heady days after the US invasion. "I used to attack the Americans when that was the jihad. Now there is no jihad. Go around and see in Adhamiya [the notorious Sunni insurgent area] - all the commanders are sitting sipping coffee; it's only the young kids that are fighting now, and they are not fighting Americans any more, they are just killing Shia. There are kids carrying two guns each and they roam the streets looking for their prey. They will kill for anything, for a gun, for a car and all can be dressed up as jihad."

Rami was no longer involved in fighting, he said, but made a tidy profit selling weapons and ammunition to men in his north Baghdad neighbourhood. Until the last few months, the insurgency got by with weapons and ammunition looted from former Iraqi army depots. But now that Sunnis were besieged in their neighbourhoods and fighting daily clashes with the better-equipped Shia ministry of interior forces, they needed new sources of weapons and money.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; jihad; shias; us
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1 posted on 01/13/2007 3:32:04 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

So were safe now? sarc/off


2 posted on 01/13/2007 3:34:07 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: blam

Uhmm, that's ok, we'll take the jihad to them. With any luck our boys will bag the Guardian embed propagandist as well.


3 posted on 01/13/2007 3:40:28 PM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: blam
What a cluster that is over there. So its Jihad against the Sunni but not the Americans? Well, after all this time that DOES sound like finally a wiser choice...lol.

The Sunni are getting whooped and are finally starting to see what they should have seen a couple of years ago...that we are the middle-man and not the enemy. Dumb. If only they had wised up a long time ago. Now it may be too late for them.

Its good to see that they finally also realize that Al-Qaeda DID NOT have their best interests at heart...slow to pick up on that were they not?

Oh well.
4 posted on 01/13/2007 3:46:18 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: blam

Wouldn't it be nice if they all killed each other instead of us and other innocent parties.


5 posted on 01/13/2007 3:48:00 PM PST by Fairview
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To: blam
"The box of 700 bullets that Rami buys for $450 today"

And we've been complaining about the price of 7.62 x39 here!

6 posted on 01/13/2007 3:54:11 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: blam
'The Jihad Now Is Against The Shias, Not The Americans'

Sunnis aren't in the habit of making good choices, are they?

Apparently, they don't realize that there are a helluva lot more Shias than there are Americans in Iraq.

And, even if the Democrats win in '08, the Shia won't be shuffling off to Okinawa.

7 posted on 01/13/2007 3:57:46 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

Islamic rule #1:

We never miss an oppurtunity to miss an oppurtunity.


8 posted on 01/13/2007 4:10:02 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: okie01; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...

Interesting.


9 posted on 01/13/2007 4:11:48 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside

Very interesting read.

It does give you concern about how we are going to clean up that mess. Al Qaida and Iran have screwed it up pretty good by funding/assisting the bombings and violence to the point that everyone is killing each other.

I think that perhaps the solution is to use intel to figure out where the really hot spots are, then blow the sh1t out of them. Daisy cutters on the whole neighborhood, some dead innocents, but end it.


10 posted on 01/13/2007 4:15:13 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Paloma_55

"Find the hotspots,blow the s@@t out of them..."I concur.


11 posted on 01/13/2007 4:27:51 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: blam

The Sunnis are the arch enemy, the Shias are, the Sunnis are, the Shias are, reminds me of that The Who song about that giant pin ball machine.


12 posted on 01/13/2007 4:32:35 PM PST by Torie
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To: okie01

Personally I think on day one we should have gathered the Sunnis, Shiite and Kurdish leaders and explain to them that the rirst side that f__ks with the US forces, we will let the other two sides finish them off. Well the insurgents were mainly Sunnis and foreign fighters. Guess what, if I were the US I would privately tell the Shiites to finish the Sunnis off.


13 posted on 01/13/2007 4:35:12 PM PST by Fee
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To: Eagles6
"And we've been complaining about the price of 7.62 x39 here!"

How much is a 1200 round case these days?

14 posted on 01/13/2007 4:45:55 PM PST by blam
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To: Fee
The way the Turks governed this territory was by having the Kurds police the Sunnis, the Sunnis police the Shias and the Shias police the Kurds.

Given antagonistic ethnicities, it's best to give them complementary hostages.

15 posted on 01/13/2007 4:54:06 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Fairview
Wouldn't it be nice if they all killed each other instead of us and other innocent parties.

About middle of last year I heard on TV one of our commanders on the ground over there say something interesting.

He said that there are all these factions fighting each other, and that they viewed our troops not as "the invaders", but as just another opposing faction to shoot at. A free-for-all.

If that is true, it is good that the non-Coalition forces focus on killing "their" factions, rather than "our" factions.

16 posted on 01/13/2007 5:02:51 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: Paloma_55

We will win this war when we kill enough of the trouble makers from both sides.We shouldn't have let them slip through our fingers during the initial invasion of the country.You can't win a war without killing the enemy and taking away his will to fight.


17 posted on 01/13/2007 5:27:56 PM PST by peeps36 (Jimmy Carter Won A Bozo Peace Prize For Being A Complete Idiot)
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To: blam

Around $160 for a case of 1000, so a 1200 rd case would be about $192. A year ago a 1000 rd case could be had for $80.


18 posted on 01/13/2007 5:37:19 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: blam

$179 per 1000 (wolf fmj)


19 posted on 01/13/2007 5:42:20 PM PST by txroadhawg ("To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors." Ronald Reagan)
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To: okie01

My idealistic sister in law was horrified by my concept. "This is the 21st Century, we shouldn't do things like that!" was her reaction. But I pointed out to her that not much as changed since the time of Rome in the third world except the technology.


20 posted on 01/13/2007 5:44:18 PM PST by Fee
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