Former Presidents Carter & Clinton call for 'A New Baptist Covenant’

Baptist Press ^ | Jan 10, 2007 | Erin Roach

[tomcorn]

Liberals have typically ignored the community of faith for decades. Curiously, it was Howard Dean, an Episcopalian, who suggested Democrats put political ads on evangelical radio stations in middle America. His own people thought he was nuts. While we Conservatives laughed at the notion, it bore fruit in the midterms. Substantial numbers of evangelicals crossed over to vote Democrat. I think it was the ethical scandals that did it.

[DocRock]

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[tomcorn]

That is the focus here. The Liberals see an opportunity to divide the REAL Baptists from the NEW Baptists. I don't know what the most effective strategy would be to counteract the effort. During the last election the strategy worked with Evangelicals.

[presidio9]

A more accurate picture of Cahtlicism would be its " catholic" nature ( the adjective) Catholcism is no more monolithic than protestantism. Within the body of Catholics you run the range from Nazis to Communists. As my brother noted Catholicisnm in the only faith in which you could have Pat Buchanan, Joe McCarthy, The berrigan Brothers and Daniel Ortega sitting in the same pew read the same St. Joseph's missal.

Here's the deal that a lot of people don't get when they talk about Catholicism (because I don't think that the concept really exists in non-heirarchical churches), it believes in a concept of self-excommunication. Catholics who are not following the official teachings of the Church are not really practicing Catholics. Now, there are sins, like using birth control, and then there are more mortal sins like a politician advocating a pro-choice position (like John Kerry or Ted Kennedy or Nancy Pelosi or Rudy Giuliani). It is the Church's official position that such people have excommunicated themselves by their continued rejection of the Church's position, and priests are directed not to offer them Communion. We have free speech in this country and they can call themselves whatever they want (they can call themselves the Linburgh baby), but the Church doesn't recognize them as Catholics. No matter what the MSM thinks. The same goes for the elements in Poland, or Daniel Ortega, or for that matter Adolf Hitler. Catholicism is a religion, not an ethnicity. Nobody is "born" a Catholic. It's something that you have to practice.

[Always Right]

“This is an attempt to bring people together and say, ‘What would our Christian witness require of us in the 21st century?’” Clinton said, adding that his goal is to be a “cheerleader” for the group.

I think he meant he goal was to bag a cheerleader.

[presidio9]

Curiously, it was Howard Dean, an Episcopalian

But only because the bike path at his Methodist was preventing him from connecting with his Creator.

[dforest]

I guess in this church lusting in the mind and Bjs are accepted church policy.

[television is just wrong]

I thought christians were evil.

[Froufrou]

By all accounts, his father was a scumbag, so he gets a pass on honoring him.

I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree!

[presidio9]

Yup. Chip off the old *ock.

[tomcorn]

Self excommunication is one of those polysyllabic pantload constructions.

[presidio9]

Nope, it's a necessary evil when you have one Pope and a billion followers. America is not the only country with corrupt political figures masquerading as Catholics. The Pope was very cear on this (actually it was then Cardinal Ratzinger writing for John Paul II): If you do this, you are no longer a Catholic. Note to priests: If you no somebody who is doing this you are not to offer them Communion.

None of the people I mentioned in the previous post are Catholics (well, perhaps the Lindbergh baby was).

[Waco1]

"The Southern Baptists have had liberal problems for years..."

After the "conservative takeover" of the Southern Baptist Convention, liberal Baptists formed their own organization called the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. This group has long existed to be in direct opposition to the Southern Baptists. Up to this point, they have quietly worked within existing Southern Baptist churches - now it looks like they have decided to break off into a totally separate group. This may be the best solution for all involved.

[rbookward]

The Covenent of "What's Happening Now"

"...inclusive organization willing to debate openly on all issues..."

Nailed it! It's all on the table, help yourself. A religious smorgasbord. (Oh! Swedish meatballs!)

[Doomonyou]

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[L,TOWM]

I perused this thread to see if anyone else would make the same connection.

I would even say that Masturbating into the washroom sink at your place of employment may not be a good point to bring up when evangelizing...

[L,TOWM]

It's already been done. They call themselves "Unitarian".
...or Purpose Driven.

That'll leave a mark. Maybe even on the right hand or forehead.

[dighton]

“This is a historic event for the Baptists in this country and perhaps for Christianity,” Carter said at the news conference.

That really leapt off the page.

[Always Right]

Sounds like the Democrats new southern strategery, trying to confuse Baptists into voting for abortion-loving Democrats.

[NordP]

Nooooooo....Clinton only signed on because he thought it was a COVEN.