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God bless our courageous President and Commander-in-Chief and our most awesome military!


1 posted on 01/10/2007 2:30:26 PM PST by STARWISE
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Lord, please prepare me for the Demoratic response ...
701 posted on 01/10/2007 6:25:13 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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..Dick Turban

One of those "foreign fighters" the President spoke of tonight...

726 posted on 01/10/2007 6:26:21 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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Dirtbin is a steaming turd....


738 posted on 01/10/2007 6:27:03 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: STARWISE
What happened to the Demorat who would say,


759 posted on 01/10/2007 6:28:10 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: STARWISE
Good speech about 'terrists en Ehrack".
788 posted on 01/10/2007 6:29:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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What did everyone think was it a good speech could it have been tougher or what?


810 posted on 01/10/2007 6:30:40 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade ("Modern, bureaucratic, unionized education is a form of intellectual child abuse. " NEWT GINGRICH)
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U.S. SECURITY IN IRAQ: AN OUTLINE FOR VICTORY
BY B-CHAN
2006.12.12

I. OBJECTIVES

A. Original Objectives
• Destroy Iraqi WMDs and WMD production capability: partial success
• Destroy and disrupt Jihadi currently operating in Iraq: success
• Attract outside Jihadi to Iraq and destroy them: partial success
• Establish a secure forward base in Southwest Asia: not yet a success
• Secure Iraqi oil supplies: not yet a success
• Kill or capture Saddam Hussein and destroy Ba'athist regime in Iraq: success
• Establish a stable multi-ethnic Iraqi government: not yet a success
• Establish, train and equip effective multi-ethnic Iraqi military and police forces: not yet a success

B. Actual Consequences
• WMDs gone missing
• Jihadi no longer major threat in Iraq
• Outside Jihadi now wary
• No security for U.S. Forces in Iraq
• Oil supplies less secure
• Iraq now vulnerable to foreign forces
• Outbreak of virulent Balkans-style ethnic/sectarian warfare
• Quasi-independent Kurdistan created
• Natives resent foreign interference in domestic affairs

C. Status Quo
• Iraq's military forces destroyed by U.S. main force
• Ba'athist government destroyed
• Saddam and other war criminals captured
• Power vacuum created
• Yugoslavia-like eruption of simmering ethnic/religious warfare
• Iraq now in a Balkans-style civil war

D. Revised Objectives
• Locate and neutralize missing WMDs, if any
• Destroy and disrupt remaining Jihadi forces currently operating in Iraq
• Establish a secure forward base for U.S. Forces in Southwest Asia
• Secure Iraqi oil supplies
• Maintain territorial integrity of Iraq
• Contain Iraqi sectarian violence within national borders
• Guarantee security of Kurdistan as bastion of order in region
• Allow Iraqis to settle their own affairs

II. ACTIONS TO ACHIEVE REVISED OBJECTIVES

A. STRATEGY: IRAQIZATION

1. Introduction

a. As in Vietnam, U.S. Forces cannot win a civil war in a foreign country. Conventional tactics will not stop civil war. In Vietnam, Westmoreland's operational concept emphasized the attrition of North Vietnamese forces in a "war of the big battalions": multi-battalion, and sometimes even multi-division, sweeps through remote jungle areas in an effort to fix and destroy the enemy. Such "search and destroy" operations were usually unsuccessful, since the enemy could usually avoid battle unless it was advantageous for him to accept it. But they were also costly to the American soldiers who conducted them, and to the Vietnamese civilians who were in the area.

b. Given strong U.S. support, the South Vietnamese fought well, blunted the Communist thrust, and recaptured territory that had been lost to Hanoi. Given strong U.S. support the Iraqi army can blunt the sectarian militias and gradually bring the country under control.

c. Attempts to fight an American War doomed to fail. Iraq must solve its own problems. U.S. Goal should be to manage civil war, allowing Iraqis to settle their own differences without compromising regional security or U.S, interests. This is Iraqization.

2.The Abrams Option

a. Make Iraq an Iraqi Responsibility: In Vietnam post-Tet, Gen Creighton Abrams placed emphasis on improving the South Vietnamese army, beginning the process of its recovery from the effects of long-term neglect that had prevailed under Westmoreland, who had pushed it aside so he could pursue an American war. Likewise, U.S. Forces should be focused on improving the Iraqi army, beginning the process of its recovery from the effects of collapse of civil order.

b. Play To Our Strengths. U.S. Is best at naval warfare, special operations, and massive destruction delivered by air. The United States provided massive air and naval support to South Vietnamese forces from secure bases, both in Vietnam and offshore. Likewise, the U.S. should withdraw from the bulk of Iraq and establish secure and defensible power projection bases both ashore and afloat.


B. TACTICS: FORT AND FLEET

1. Kurdistan: Fort Saladin
A permanent military installation occupied by U.S. Army, Air Force and SOCOM forces should be established within Kurdistan in northern Iraq. Kurdistan should be offered guarantees of its borders in exchange for long-term basing rights in Kurdistan (Fort Saladin), from which the northern half of Iraq can be managed. This facility would also serve as an airborne/airmobile/air strike power projection base for the region. Kurdistan is stable and peaceful. Once their security was guaranteed by the establishment of the northern No-Fly Zone, the Kurds set up their own civil democratic structures and developed their judiciary, police and security forces. Over the next thirteen years Kurdistan became a relative oasis of law and order, winning the reputation of being the safest region in all of Iraq. Fewer than two hundred coalition troops are currently stationed in the Kurdistan Autonomous Region. Not a single coalition soldier has lost his life on Kurdish soil.

2. Persian Gulf: Strike Force
A standing naval Strike Force Persian Gulf (SFPG) consisting of two Carrier Battle Groups, Coast Guard units, and an associated Marine Corps amphibious fleet should be stationed in the Gulf to manage the southern half of Iraq and project power throughout the region.


C. METHODOLOGY: AIR ASSAULT

1. Focused Power From Secure Bases
In Vietnam, Abrams's approach focused not on the destruction of enemy forces per se but on protection of the South Vietnamese population by controlling key areas. North Vietnamese offensive timetables were disrupted by preemptive allied attacks, buying more time for Vietnamization. In Iraq, U.S. tactics would focus not on pacifying all of Iraq but on the protection of Iraqi population centers from Jihadis, foreign forces, and sectarian militas. Militia and Jihadi offensive timetables would be disrupted by preemptive U.S. attacks, buying more time for Iraqization. Attempts at ethnic cleansing, genocide, and other crimes against humanity would be shattered by focused application of U.S. power.

2. Air Assault
Staging from Fort Saladin, U.S. Army Air Assault teams, SOCOM commandos, and USAF attack aircraft would surgically strike religious and ethnic militias, capture or kill warlords, suppress Jihadis, and prevent acts of genocide, mass murder, and ethnic cleansing in the northern half of Iraq.

3. Forward From The Sea
Staging from SFPG ships, U.S. Marine Corps/Navy SOCOM helicopter/tiltrotor strike teams and U.S. Navy/Marie Corps attack aircraft would surgically strike religious and ethnic militias, capture or kill warlords, suppress Jihadis, and prevent acts of genocide, mass murder, and ethnic cleansing in the southern half of Iraq.


III. ENDGAME
Over time, the Baghdad government would gain enough strength to establish firm control over the entire country. Whatever solution the Iraqis came to regarding their religious and ethnic differences (partition, etc.), it would be their own solution, not one imposed by the U.S., and thus would eventually achieve a natural stability.


END OUTLINE


862 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:19 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: STARWISE
Well organized, well planned and well articulated. That is the good news. The equivocal news is what is and what is not an Iraqi government. Most think in terms of borders, and people. Actually, a nation is different than those simple characteristics.

I hope someone has a copy of Jose Ortega y Gasset's "The Revolt of the Masses." If they do they will see that Gasset points out the following:

"A state is always, whatever its organization an invitation from one group of men to other groups to carry out some enterprise in common.."

.."Since it is a plan of common enterprise, its reality is purely dynamic, something to be done, the community in action...on this view everyone is part of the state regardless of race, blood, geography, social class--all of these take a secondary position...it is not the community of the past but of the future that determines a nation...not what we were yesterday but what we would be tomorrow...

In a word Iraq will be or is a nation provided they have a dynamic shared purpose and are futuristic and not past oriented.

This challenge of nationhood is not easily addressed by outsiders but they can reinforce sometimes what needs to be reinforced.

873 posted on 01/10/2007 6:34:58 PM PST by shrinkermd
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Excellent speech by the president. I am also glad he has plans to deal with insurgent suppliers in Syria and Iraq! : )


888 posted on 01/10/2007 6:36:03 PM PST by TAdams8591
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Fox News Web-page Headlines,

"Bush Sets Course for 'Different Victory' in Iraq"

I didn't hear him say a "different victory", did anyone else?
979 posted on 01/10/2007 6:43:35 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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"GOD BLESS OUR COURAGEOUS PRESIDENT"

You are so right. I am with him 100% till the end.


1,038 posted on 01/10/2007 6:49:25 PM PST by jaycee
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I caught the speech on FOX.


The moonbats at the lunch table will say they didn't watch it, then proceed to tell me how bad W is.
I gotta finda a better place to eat lunch....
1,143 posted on 01/10/2007 7:00:45 PM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.)
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God Bless our troops, but unless the ROE are loosened....they are lost.

rules of engagement, rules of engagement, RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.......

1,157 posted on 01/10/2007 7:03:05 PM PST by The Drowning Witch (Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:)
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I love this picture. Thanks.


1,187 posted on 01/10/2007 7:06:54 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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Great speech!!! It's about time the S- and I- words were used!


1,222 posted on 01/10/2007 7:10:41 PM PST by Perdogg (Happy 2007)
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"God bless our courageous President and Commander-in-Chief and our most awesome military!"


My nephew is one of the 21,500 being deployed. He leaves in one week. This is his 5th tour of duty. Please keep him in your prayers.


1,284 posted on 01/10/2007 7:18:15 PM PST by Portrait of a Lady
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I am wondering if its Possible to organize a National campaign to have as many Americans as possible to mail White Flags and Rubber Chickens to all those congressmen and women that oppose the war?

Moreover, I would love to see a chimerical of a family seeing their, fathers,mothers, sons, daughters going off to Iraq. Then we see a video of Ted Kennedy saying he is going to cut off the funds for our troops. Perhaps then it can fade to the different family members saying please Mr Senator do not ban my father, mother, etc... in Iraq.


You know this would get the libs panties in a Wad if this happened.
1,369 posted on 01/10/2007 7:33:49 PM PST by Sprite518
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please excuse my belated post.
God Bless America!

(and screw the Democrat cowards)

I was very pleased to hear President Bush clearly mention iran and syria's roles in the fight . I wished he had announced
authorizing heavy air strikes along both borders ,directly against those countries unless all such aiding and abetting stops tomorrow ! I hope that is part of the plan.

Israel not mentioned in a single line????
He should have said very clearly that ANY attack on Israel
will be considered an attack on the USA and dealt with accordingly. But this was about Iraq....

Kennedy : this disgusting toad is trying to do what he did back in 75 , a withholding of funding that cost over 3 millions Cambodian and Laotians their lives.
How can this utterly shameless man STILL be in office
in the United States of America!? What a blight.
and he wants to do it again....

All & all , thank you President Bush for a good plan and a good speech.
I remain your fan and supporter !
1,387 posted on 01/10/2007 7:37:06 PM PST by LeoWindhorse (WIN!!!!)
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I was hoping but not expecting that Bush would be announcing the Raid on Iran to take out Iranian offensive capability. Anything less is just More Of Same. Iraq is a sideshow that has been turned into the Main Event while the major bad guy is sitting across the border building nukes and sending warriors into Iraq from an effectively unlimited well and Israel is in its last days. What is the use of building a wall of forces surrounding Iran if Iran is sacrosanct? Chaos in Iraq is not a real problem. We can use Iraq effectively, peaceful or not, as staging against Iran or just to close some loopholes for Iran as we drive against Iran's offensive and nuclear potential. Why have we made Iraq the be-all and end-all of strategy and tactics? So long as Iran exists unflattened nothing we accomplish in Iraq will last past the removal of our troops and nothing we accomplish in Iraq will stop Iran from nuking Tel Aviv. Yes it is Viet Nam all over again with much worse consequences when the Democrats force us to finally run away. Iran is the USSR and China of the 60s and Ha noi, too, but without the Communists' aversion to suicide and with no compunctions about launching nuclear war.


1,401 posted on 01/10/2007 7:40:12 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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So since I had some stuff to and missed the speech and the live thread,, I would like to know how you fellow Free Peers thought of the President's speech.........thanks in advance..
1,490 posted on 01/10/2007 7:59:22 PM PST by yield 2 the right
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