De Valera helped Nazi war criminal (Ireland)

Times on Line ^ | January 7, 2007 | NICOLA TALLANT

[Irish_Thatcherite]

Let's see, the English invaded their country, took away their land, persecuted them for being Catholic, treated them like trash ... and there's the little matter of the potato famine. Gee, I can't understand why?

Welcome to the 21st century, troll.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

Maybe, but the Irish didn't think it was their war to fight.

Yeah... because only 40,000 Irishmen voluteered......

< /sarcasm >

[ArrogantBustard]

The swastika was an ancient 'good luck' symbol, until the National Socialists perverted it. Your great-grandmother's card may have been "Nazi" ... but probably was not.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

What can you expect from an Anti-Treatyite scumbag like De Valera!

Ireland Ping!

[rbmillerjr]

"The national broadcasting system was totally infiltrated with hard core Marxists who hated the United States. Strangely enough, most Irish Americans remained clueless about this."

Most Irish Americans don't even know that they were neutral in WWII lol. They're lucky the Brits didn't use their actions in WWII to justify harsh action after the war.

[vladimir998]

Thanks for proving my point. Only 40,000.

[Gay State Conservative]

But we should also remember the 60,000 Irish lads who defied their government and served in UK forces against Hitler and Company.A salute to their memory!

Agree 100%! I'm woefully ignorant of the history of the land of my ancestors but what little I know of DeValera's actions during WW II makes me nauseous.Thankfully,more than a few Irish lads had the intelligence *and* the courage to fight along side the British,Canadians,Aussies,Americans,etc to prevent a darkness beyond description from falling upon the earth.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

40,000 is a lot out of a country which, at the time, had a population less than 2million!

De Valera stayed neutral pro-Nazi, the rest of the country didn't!!

[Gay State Conservative]

Thanks for proving my point. Only 40,000.

Ireland is a very small country.I think for a country whose men weren't required to go (or,perhaps,were even forbidden by their government to go) and had a population of males between the ages of 18 and 40 that might have numbered about 200,000,I'd say that that's a pretty respectable figure.

[Ciexyz]

I had no idea that 60,000 Irish citizens served with the British Army during WW II. Thanks for posting that info.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

Well put, investigateworld! :)

Of course, vladimir998 thinks it's not good enough!

[BnBlFlag]

I'm sure that idea would have gone over big with the Ulster Scots in Northern Ireland. The only result of this idea would have been a bloody Civil War with no guarantee that the Irish Reublic would win.

[ConservativeDude]

"The Nazi collaborator was advised by de Valera to continue using an alias so that if the French government asked if he was in Ireland"

Late in his life DeGaulle visited Ireland. I think DeValera was still President (though extremely old). In his tour of Ireland, DeGaulle expressed his support for a "united Ireland." (Anything to stick it to the English, of course).

I wonder if de Gaulle would have been happy to know about De Valera harboring the Nazi?

[Irish_Thatcherite]

Good point!

[Pilsner]

to the DeValera government it looked like enlightened self interest at the time.

By 1940 only a fool, or a man blinded by rabid hate, would trust the safety of a small, weak, nation, to the good will and restraint of Adolf Hitler, once Hitler had that nation in his power.

Hitler talked nice to DeValera, but the Nazi plans to subdue the Irish Republic -- once england surrenders -- were so far along by then that they had even calculated how many tons of shipping would be required to transport the Irish political class, and all Irish Jews, to the concentration camps on the continent.

[aculeus]

He really was vile. He was willing to help the enemies of all the (hundred thousands?) Irish-Americans who fought against the Nazis, something the English-hating nitwits who show up on these threads seem not to understand.

[Irish_Thatcherite]

Yes, the two individuals I tackled are idiots who sympathise with the IRA.

[jla]

But we should also remember the 60,000 Irish lads who defied their government and served in UK forces against Hitler and Company.

A salute to their memory!

Hear, hear!

[Irish_Thatcherite]

:)

[vladimir998]

IT,

You sure as hell are not talking about me, right?

I DO NOT NOW NOR HAVE I EVER SYMPATHIZED WITH THE IRA. I challenged you on something like this before and you actually admitted you had made a mistake. I will assume, therefore, that you are talking about someone else.