Posted on 01/09/2007 8:27:45 AM PST by jmc813
I’m greatly encouraged by the lengthy, indignant responses by prominent scare-mongers Joe Farah and Jerome Corsi to my on-air and on-blog denunciation (“Shame on Demagogues for Exploiting ‘North American Union’!”, 12/28) of their self-promoting paranoia regarding an alleged conspiracy to merge the US, Canada and Mexico. The defensive tone of their commentary suggests that these two have been appropriately embarrassed: Farah, in particular, dramatically deescalated his rhetoric.
While previous commentary on WorldNetDaily prominently and regularly featured the noun “plot” in defining this non-issue, his answer to my purposefully harsh attack omits that key word entirely and uses language in a vastly more responsible and rational style. If I can push an influential (and often insightful) journalist like Farah back toward reasoned debate and the mainstream, then I’ve already succeeded in my chief goal: to prevent conservatives from following self-interested Pied Pipers off a cliff into conspiracist cuckoo land.
I’m particularly gratified at the way that Farah worded his “Daily Poll” on this issue. He posed the question: “What do you make of the talk about the North American Union?” and offered only two alternatives (out of nine) that agreed with the lunatic alarmists on the subject. Those two choices declared: “The evidence keeps mounting. When will people stop being in denial?” and “Plans for a union are an absolute reality, and anyone who can’t see concerted attacks on U.S. sovereignty is blind.” Please note that in declaring “the evidence keeps mounting,” this response never specifies what, exactly this “evidence” is supposed to prove. Similarly, the statement that “plans for a union are an absolute reality” never suggests who it is who is making those plans. If the plans (not “plots” this time) for a North American Union are coming from forces on the left as marginal as the fringies on the right who worry about such shcemes, then there is, indeed, no reason for fear.
Amazingly enough, Farah himself supports this reassuring perspective in his muddled attempt to defend his previous hysteria. He identifies one Robert Pastor “as the man at the very center of the plans for a North American Union.” Pastor is a loony leftist, slightly unhinged professor at American University who was an enthusiastic supporter (and informal advisor) to John Kerry’s Presidential juggernaut--- and who bears no connection whatever to the Bush administration, or the dreaded Security and Prosperity Partnership. If an addled academic with zero power in the government and no clout whatever with the current administration is “the man at the very center of the plans for a North American Union” do those plans really sound so menacing and dire and imminent?
Moreover, even Professor Pastor (in an interview with NAU demagogue-in-chief Jerome Corsi, as quoted by Farah) specifically denies any desire for a North American Union. “Each of the proposals I have laid out represent (sic) more than just small steps,” Pastor proclaimed. “But it doesn’t represent a leap to a North American Union or even to some confederation of any kind. I don’t think either is plausible, necessary or even helpful to contemplate at this stage.” (Italics added)
I know that paranoids and conspiracy connoisseurs will seize on the last three words “at this stage” and scream, “Aha! The dreaded Pastor—the evil academic who’s the architect of the whole diabolical scheme – is suggesting at some later stage it WILL be plausible, necessary, or even helpful to contemplate a North American Union!”
But please, friends, consider this: if even the lefty professor who is considered the most dangerous plotter and visionary on the prospect of US-Mexican-Canadian merger explicitly denies any interest whatever in even contemplating that scheme at this stage, does it really make any sense—any sense at all – to frighten the public into believing that there is a current, powerful mass movement on behalf of such plans?
That’s the essence of my impassioned concern with the demagoguery on this subject: by focusing concern on a non-existent threat, people like Farah and Corsi take attention away from the very real dangers posed by the liberal ideologues who have taken over both houses of Congress.
There are open, undeniable, widely supported plans from the Democratic leadership to cripple the country in our war against Islamo-Nazis, to undermine our security agencies in the name of “constitutional rights,” to raise taxes, to punish productivity, to grow government, to undermine the traditional family, to nationalize health care, to force us all out of our cars (and onto useless mass transit) and to push through precisely the sort of immigration policies that most conservatives will absolutely hate. These plans demand a united Republican Party and a re-energized conservative movement that isn’t distracted and paralyzed by non-existent threats concerning non-existent plans to terminate the independent survival of the United States. (“PREMEDIATED MERGER: How Leaders are Stealthily Transforming USA into North American Union” reads one typical and current Farah headline.)
This is a fateful moment for the conservative moment that Barry Goldwater launched and that Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich and, yes, George W. Bush led to some significant triumphs. For the first time since Clinton first came to power 14 years ago, we are definitely in opposition --- coming out of our “thumpin’” in the 2006 elections, all the momentum and energy in Washington has currently shifted to the Democratic side. The next few months will help to determine whether Republicans and conservatives will fight the good fight over issues that matter or dissipate all chance of a return to power through in-fighting, defeatism and self-marginalization. Given the stakes involved with some of the current battles in Washington and around the world, how can any grownup, responsible activist justify focusing on black-helicopter-style threats like the border-dissolving, sovereignty-ending North American Union –- which no elected leaders of administration officials have ever endorsed?
Where, in the past, have conservatives succeeded in building majorities by concentrating on “secret plans” and “high level plots” by their fellow Republicans?
And this brings me to the unfortunate Jerome Corsi, who felt the need in his response to my scorn to bring up some long-ago misunderstanding between us in which he believed I had charged him with anti-Semitism. As I communicated to Corsi in a telephone conversation, I did not recall making that charge on the air and I still don’t believe I ever attacked him in that manner. If I had even hinted at Jew-hatred on Corsi’s part I was willing to apologize, I said.
But now that he’s brought up the long-dead matter once again, I went to the trouble of looking up some of his controversial (and profoundly embarrassing) internet postings from FreeRepublic.com that were publicized in 2004. One of them (03/04/2004) attacked “John F**ing Commie Kerry” as follows: “After he married TerRAHsa, didn’t John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? (sic). He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?”
Given the fact that neither Kerry nor his wife (either wife, for that matter) ever practiced any form of Judaism (or “Judi-asm”, which might be a form of Judi worship), and given the fact that Theresa Heinz Kerry has never had any connection whatever to the Jewish people or the Jewish religion, and given the fact that Kerry himself has been a well-advertised, professing Catholic all his life, doesn’t Corsi’s snide little comment about Kerry’s “reverting” to the faith from which his paternal grandparents converted, give off unmistakable, fetid whiffs of anti-Semitic obsession?
In the same series of comments he also wrote of the beloved and revered Pope John Paul II: “Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn’t reported by the liberal press” (03/03/2003) and “We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that’s probably about it.” (12/16/2002).
And now this same angry, venomous, irresponsible figure wants to be taken seriously when he warns of the looming, desperate danger of North American Union. He insists that he is utterly disinterested and selfless in promoting this grand conspiracy theory--- but then the final line of his posting gives the lie to this preposterous pose. That line announces about Mr. Corsi: “He will soon author a book on the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and the prospect of the forthcoming North American Union.”
I have no desire whatever to help him promote his latest book which is why I won’t invite him as a guest to debate these issues on my radio show. If he wants to call in (with other members of the public) to make whatever points he chooses to make, he’s welcome to do so on the one national talk show that identifies itself as “Your Daily Dose of Debate” and we’ll move him to the front of the caller line. The phone number, Mr. Corsi (toll free, by the way) is 1-800-955-1776.
And concerning his challenge to me to debate him publicly and formally over his poisonous obsession over phantom dangers, I’ve never in my life turned away from a rhetorical challenge, and I’m not about to do so now. If Corsi wants a debate (over a non-issue that I don’t believe is even worthy of serious discussion) I’m willing to join him if he arranges an appropriate venue and I can participate without incurring debilitating travel or personal expense.
If this sort of confrontation can flush out fringe-figures like Jerome Corsi from the dank, turgid conspiracist fever-swamps he chooses to inhabit, it may perform an important hygienic purpose in returning the conservative movement to the robust health it needs for the serious battles that lie ahead.
Screw Medved
Screw Horowitz
Screw Reagan
Screw Heston
It's a long list, screw them all.
It's the conspiracy charge.
If he's right, and the White House is involved, Charlie Rangel might be right about impeachment.
If you're conspiracy minded today, consider Corsi's role.
There's nothing new here.
He was a factor in GWBs re-election.
Why did he support a conspirator?
"Say what you want about Medved, he doesn't shy from debate."
Actually he does sometimes. Saw it right here in Minnesota at the State Fair.
Amazing how easy to avoid debate when one has their hand on the microphone. I've seen it even with talk show hosts I agree with.
In one variant of definition yes. But "opinion" can also mean "a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter". As it is obvious from the context the word "opinion" was used in the later meaning. At least it is what I meant and presumably Hugin meant as well.
I agree. And sometimes it makes me laugh; other times... I decide to pick up a newer reading hobby.
Equally annoying is the corollary, debate the needle by pointing at a haystack.
Yes, it IS indisputable that Mexicans spend more on American made goods, than American spend on Mexican made ones. But there are some here, to whom facts just don't matter at all.
Why should Medved offer crazy Corsi FREE airtime?
Then I guess Ronald Reagan was a "phony" all along too. Right?
I mean, Reagan was a DEM far longer and loved FDR, until his dying day. :-)
Yes, I've had this happen before with pulled posts, too. The mods will pull any post for even the mildest profanity if someone complains. I got a post pulled for "attacking someone personally" in a hypothetical. I don't blame the mods for it, but it's a pretty pathetic tactic.
FDR was a Socialist and he surrounded himself with card carrying Commies and KGB agents; Alger Hiss in particular.
LOL
"Of course, we want Mexico and Canada to work hard to defend our borders from criminals, terrorists, and illegals while making it easier for our law-abiding citizens and their law abiding citizens to cross the borders..."
As soon as Hawkins said that I knew everything.
"We (who is this "we"? I assume his pet ferret is in his pocket) want Mexico and Canada to work hard to defend OUR borders...etc"
Isn't the US supposed to defend its borders? Not depend on other countries to defend them? This doens't make a pinch of sense. And anyone who doesn't see the horrible danger and destruction of the open borders situation is either (a) blind, deaf, dumb and illiterate or (b) has an ulterior reason for wanting open borders.
The debate (if you can call it that) is highly enlightening. Hawkins is so amazingly transparent that I wonder he's not too ashamed to put pen to paper (metaphorically speaking). People who never argue facts but merely use the typical straw man, ad hominem, and insults are never to be trusted.
I know what you mean. LOL
And it's a sure and certain sign that some here, who pretend to be just oh so much better than the rest of us, can't stand factual refutation, nor even anyone not agreeing completely with them. Poor widdle babies, that they are.........
Thank you for your assistance.
But I will name the ones with whom I disagree.
In general, a candidate must have been one of the many young, arrogant anti-Goldwater, "anti-war/pro-Ho" commie-dupe jerks of the 1960s and 1970s who were praised by the MSM as the brightest young ever produced by America.
I cannot say that Mr. Medved meets all the criteria, I cannot say that he advocated for a North Viet Nam Communist victory (pro-Ho) but he meets all other criteria -- and has, to the best of my knowledge done little more than say, "I've changed since then."
John Kerry meets all the criteria and lots more besides.
They don't cut me a lot of slack, but I'd say that that was exceedingly lame on the part of Paul Ross, wouldn't you? I embarassed him with the truth, and he chose the weasel's way out.
On the other hand, Medved has time to write thousands of words shrilly denouncing what Corsi has to say. He can't really have it both ways. Either Corsi's thesis doesn't deserve the dignity of a response, or it merits a normal invitation to appear on the show.
After all, he was willing to do as much for Noam Chomsky...
So does David Horowitz.
Oh yes, I agree with you completely.
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