That's what happened to Black Jack Ketchum in 1901.
Doc sewed the head back on for the funeral.
Posted on 01/08/2007 2:00:19 PM PST by stm
NEW YORK — A new and graphic video appearing to show the body of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein after he was hanged surfaced Monday on the Web.
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I laughed at the news reports saying the other video was graphic.
What a load. The other video was not graphic at all. You hear him fall. You don't see him, and you can barely even see the body at all except in very brief flashes of light.
But, this was is genuinely graphic....zooms in on the gash in his neck.
Rather gruesome.
But, justice was served, and this tape leaves no doubts as to Saddam's death unlike the other, less graphic videos.
I saw it. Too bad so sad. Not.
His "son" Uday used to have his henchmen nab prisoners from Abu Ghraib and he would watch as they were fed to the lions and tigers at his zoo. I have been to his zoo, it must have been a horrific sight. Those two are re-united with "Pop" now, as it should be.
That entire family was twisted beyond words. Uday was not even Saddam's biological son, though this is not something that was widely published. Saddam had his wife sleep with a prison official to work a deal to get him out of prison. She got pregant. If you look at both Uday and Qusay you can tell very easily that Qusay is Saddam's son but Uday does not resemble Saddam in the least. Uday was such a loose cannon that Saddam contracted some of his henchmen to have him killed. They botched the attempt and Uday survived, though his left femur was made entirely out of titanium.
I didn't know that. A million thanks for bringing me up to speed. Another example of one of those things that get reported and turn out to be untrue. Thanks!
Saddam lawyers claim his body was abused
Lawyers of deposed Iraqi leader say they will sue Iraqi government at International Court of Justice over abuses by executioners during and after execution
Roee Nahmias Published: 01.07.07, 15:01
A member of Saddam Hussein's legal team said Sunday that she intends on suing the Iraqi government at the International Court of Justice over the taunting of the former leader by executioners on the gallows.
Bushra al-Khalil told the Saudi daily al-Watan that she will sue the Iraqi authorities for allowing two of Saddam's personal foes to attend the execution and over reports that executioners had abused the dead body of the former leader.
She claimed that Shiite leader Abdel Aziz al-Hakim and Muqtada al-Sadr were present at the execution.
She added that the court will be asked to authorize that Saddam's body be exhumed for an autopsy to check for abuse signs on his body.
The Shiite al-Hakim clan accuses Saddam of having ordered the execution of hundreds of opposition Shiite leaders, while Muktada al-Sadr accuses the Iraqi leader of having killed his father Mohammad al-Sadr.
A short footage of the execution recorded on a mobile phone and published on the internet showing Saddam being taunted by the executioners before hanged stirred anger among Iraq's Sunnis and drew a wave of criticism from the international community.
In the video, witnesses are heard telling Saddam to "go to hell" and praising al-Sadr as the Iraqi leader kept his calm second before hanging.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3349346,00.html
See post #86.
The Saddam Hussein hanging video was quite controversial in that many believed that the entire ordeal was handled poorly by the new government and the leaked cell phone video would be problematic for the fragile new democracy in Iraq. Now a new video shows Saddam after the hanging on a gurney with what appears to be a bloody and perhaps even slit throat.
New Purported Saddam Hussein Hanging Video Shows Bloody Aftermath
Fox News reports that the 27-second video, appears to show Saddam's body on a gurney, covered with a white shroud that is removed so the person videotaping has a clear shot at his head and neck. A large and gaping wound is visible on the neck.
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272610858.shtml
I wish I could report that all the gruesome stories about Iraq in the 80s and 90s turned out to be a bad dream ... however ... some have turned out even worse than what we thought.
Securing the Body
Before 7 a.m., helicopters ferried Iraqi officials back to the Green Zone, along with Hussein's body. For nearly 17 hours, Maliki and his officials remained locked in a dispute with Sunni officials and leaders of Hussein's Albu Nasir tribe, with Maliki's officials refusing to release the body, saying they wanted no shrine to him. Throughout, the body, in a white shroud, remained inside the ambulance in the parking lot behind Maliki's office.
For the last time, the Americans intervened, flying a delegation from Hussein's hometown of Tikrit to Baghdad, and returning them 110 miles north again after Maliki, at close to midnight, agreed to let the body go.
It was transferred to a pine coffin, loaded onto the open back of a police pickup, and driven back to Landing Zone Washington, the Green Zone helipad.
Upset by events in the execution chamber, and concerned at attracting any fresh anger from Iraqi Sunnis, the Americans ordered their troops not to touch Hussein's body after the execution, even as it was loaded and unloaded from their helicopters. This left Iraqi officials to unload the stretcher carrying the body when the execution party returned to the Green Zone from the prison. Rubaie, the security adviser, said he helped carry the stretcher bearing the corpse from the helicopter to a waiting ambulance.
"We weren't walking, we were jogging" to the ambulance, he said. "This was a chapter we wanted to get done and finished with. We just wanted it to be over."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/06/news/web.0107SADDAM.php?page=4
well, we all must shed this mortal coil.
It matters little the manner, but what we face afteword. I could waste time thinking of worse for him, but in the end, the reward for the world is to be rid of him. I don't understand the fascination with his unpleasant last momments. What matters is that they are the last. I am relieved to no longer breathe the same air.
Peeled adams apple
What do people THINK happens when someone is hanged? Why is this any sort of deal?
I think we'd have to take maintaining civil order more seriously before we could do that. Can you imagine "protests", and the civil obstructions? However, maintaining order is something our society needs to do much better, so I don't consider that a real reason not to do this.
The executions could also be televised while performed in a secure area to prevent interruption if necessary.
I am curious as to what benefits you feel our society would gain from public executions?
A vivid reminder of the consequences of very serious crimes?
A forum for the public to express it's agreement or disagreement with the verdict?
An opportunity for the victims to witness justice? Usually this can be accommodated in how executions are currently done as well.
I guess my real question is what do you feel is the benefit of having people be able to watch the execution itself? What benefit is there to giving some of these criminals one last public forum to spread hate and verbally attack their victims?
In many cases public executions have been a way for an oppressive government to instill fear in the people they rule over.
When ordered by a government (or judiciary) that does not consider itself responsible to and is not held responsible by the public, public executions are a demonstration of power over the public.
However, if the verdicts are unjust, such arrogant demonstrations of corrupt power are also a call to the public that they must defend themselves against such acts or risk facing the same fate.
There are benefits and drawbacks.
Personally, I'd likely not attend if there were public executions.
I have no wish to witness the idiots jeering for the sake of jeering even if they have no clue as to what crime the person committed. I also have no wish to see the bleeding-heart liberals rationalize the crimes and blame the victims.
I also have no desire to watch someone die, even someone who deserves that fate.
The only reason I would attend an execution is that I felt I had some duty to do so.
That's alot more complicated response than was my statement. LOL.
They had no problems maintaining civil order for many decades in this country. I think the shame of being a criminal has been largely lost in this society. For thieves and petty crimes, they should use public humiliation. How many car thiefs would re-offend if the sentence included being placed in stocks in front of the mall in pink underwear? How many hoodlums would be walking around looking to kill someone for being "dissed" if their buddies are hanging there, necks stretched and broken, in front of the courthouse.
You may look at it as the gov't exercising its power over the people. I look at it as society taking proper, and humiliating retribution against the filth that deserves no less.
That's what happened to Black Jack Ketchum in 1901.
Doc sewed the head back on for the funeral.
well, personally, i see weird stuff everyday. but even this was a little out of the ordinary you must admit.
Punishment for crimes should be punishment, not merely an inconvenience. People should be ashamed of being a criminal, so some level of humiliation seems appropriate to me, but not excessive humiliation.
Maybe put the criminal in the stock in a pink jumpsuit rather than pink underwear. :)
How many hoodlums would be walking around looking to kill someone for being "dissed" if their buddies are hanging there, necks stretched and broken, in front of the courthouse.
Not many and additional hangings would further reduce the ranks of those stupid and depraved enough not to learn from the mistakes of others.
Punishment of serious crimes should be harsh.
However, we must also break our government of it's habit of criminalizing every form of undesirable behavior.
Treat criminals like criminals, and society can deal with minor offenses and boorish behavior on it's own through ostracizing those who's behavior is unacceptable. But first we must get people to accept that some behavior is unacceptable rather than teaching tolerance of unacceptable behavior.
well, personally, i see weird stuff everyday. but even this was a little out of the ordinary you must admit.
Not really. When people hang their weight and the drop needs to be factored in or else there damage and sometimes decapitation. He got stretched more than usual and was partially decapitated.
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