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Tests show traces of C4 at Port of Miami..FOX BREAKING
Me | 1/7/07 | georgiadawg32

Posted on 01/08/2007 11:38:45 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32

Breaking..suspicious device at port of miami..


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: c4; compositionc; dubai; dubaiportsdeal; miami; petn; plasticexplosive; rdx; security; wot
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To: processing please hold

"You'll understand why tuna is so popular when you get to it's shelf life."

And how 'bout that SPAM! Woohoo, 60 - 96 months.


441 posted on 01/08/2007 1:44:11 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Dictionary of New Definitions
==================
C4 explosive =======> Sprinkler heads
Stolen FBI files =====> Badges of courage
Seditious MSM ======> new patriots
Traitorous Congress ===> new patriots
Islamonazi religion demanding bombings, slavery, beheading and lying ==> Religion of Peace
Islamonazi terrorists ==> depends on source (see below)
* Assailants - National Public Radio.
* Attackers - the Economist.
* Bombers - the Guardian.
* Captors - the Associated Press.
* Commandos - Agence France-Presse refers to the terrorists both as "membres du commando" and "commando."
* Criminals - the Times (London).
* Extremists - United Press International.
* Fighters - the Washington Post.
* Group - the Australian.
* Guerrillas - New York Post editorial.
* Gunmen - Reuters.
* Hostage-takers - the Los Angeles Times.
* Insurgents - in a New York Times headline.
* Kidnappers - the Observer (London).
* Militants - the Chicago Tribune.
* Perpetrators - the New York Times.
* Radicals - the BBC.
* Rebels - in a Sydney Morning Herald headline.
* Separatists - the Christian Science Monitor.
* Activists - the Pakistan Times.
* The Clintonoids in the US State Dept call them .... "allies".
* The Clintonoids in the CIA, including Scheuer, call them ..... "patriots".
442 posted on 01/08/2007 1:44:56 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: angcat

I don't know what is going on, but I'm not beyond thinking this is a trial run for something bigger. I've been in the military for over 30 years, and this just stinks.


443 posted on 01/08/2007 1:46:03 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The terrorists have many allies in the United States, especially in the democrat party.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

We love spam. We have cases of it. WHOO HOO!


444 posted on 01/08/2007 1:47:57 PM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: WestCoastGal
-"Bad English" my foot. How did they drive from Deerborne, Michigan w/out knowing the English language (road signs, maps, etc.)?
-And according to their Koran, it is permissable, even required, that they LIE to us infidels/non-Muslims.
-No ID on one of them?
- ALL Of them of ME appearance?
-Surreptitiously hiding in the truck?
-C-4 detected?
-Container of Chinese defective bolts to load on a cruise ship?

THAT'S okay? Not w/ME.

445 posted on 01/08/2007 1:49:52 PM PST by Carolinamom (Thank God that Mary and Joseph were not pro-choicers.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat; Rte66

A tanker caught fire in my neck of the woods today (Sugar Land) at the Nalco plant. It's cleared up now.


446 posted on 01/08/2007 1:49:55 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: processing please hold

I ate it as a child, fried (lol) for breakfast. It's actually decent that way, crispy on the outside. I just wonder what all is in the stuff.


447 posted on 01/08/2007 1:51:21 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Rte66

I live 1 mile nortwest of Nalco.


448 posted on 01/08/2007 1:52:19 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

You do pose an interesting and difficult scenario for terrorism. Terrorism isn't just the bangs but the fear of the bangs as well. If Terrorists can frequently challenge the security system with enough false positives they can drive up the costs and reduce the effectiveness of the monitoring system.

A spate of false positive hits in airports simultaneoulsy would paralyze the air traffic system for days. I wouldn't want to fly during a high alert period. I'm sure that both the terrorists and counterterrorists have red teamed this scenario in theory already.


449 posted on 01/08/2007 1:53:10 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Last Laugh
Buzzards roost on the microwave towers strung out along Interstate 20. It is first come, first serve. First in gets the prime top perch and others fill the lower selected spots as they arrive.

The lower the perch, the more that buzzard gets crapped on from those above.

450 posted on 01/08/2007 1:54:03 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: GrouchoTex

Thanks for the info, glad to hear that things are clear now.


451 posted on 01/08/2007 1:54:12 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (An easy 10-team playoff based on the BCS bowls can be implemented by next year. See my homepage.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yeah. My mom would pan fry spam in butter until it was crisp. We ate it as sauage for breakfast. It was ok with eggs. Cold spam sandwiches with mayo were nasty though.


452 posted on 01/08/2007 1:54:43 PM PST by CindyDawg (May your dreams be big and your worries be small (RF))
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To: RegulatorCountry
Hubby loves it fried too. I'll eat it cold or fried makes no difference to me.

I don't wanna know what's in it.

453 posted on 01/08/2007 1:55:16 PM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: RegulatorCountry

You ate fried C-4 for breakfast?

Dayum....talk about child abuse.


454 posted on 01/08/2007 1:57:24 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: tomcorn

So....If we get hit hard and FR gets knocked off the air...how will we know what is going on?


455 posted on 01/08/2007 1:57:58 PM PST by CindyDawg (May your dreams be big and your worries be small (RF))
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To: Carolinamom

I thought I heard yesterday that they were from Dearbornistan.

Miami judge drops charges against 3 Dearborn men in terrorism scare
DetNews.com, MI - 2 hours ago
MIAMI -- A judge today dropped all charges against three men of Middle Eastern descent from Dearborn, Mich., whose miscommunication with guards at the Port ...

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070108/UPDATE/701080418



That's a long way to go to ship something???


456 posted on 01/08/2007 1:58:08 PM PST by WestCoastGal (Winners Never Quit!!)
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To: GrouchoTex

How do they notify you if you need to shelter in place? Do they have a reverse 9-1-1 there, like in parts of east Harris Co. near the refineries? Did you have to do that today?


457 posted on 01/08/2007 1:58:50 PM PST by Rte66
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To: RegulatorCountry
Semtex or C-4, the key ingredients are the same. Regardless, one pound of the stuff, concealed in a cassette player, blew up that plane.

Correct (which you are) or not, that wasn't my point.  The tests done with considerably less plastic explosives in the shoe bomber investigation on a grounded 747 were sufficient to destroy that plane (blew off the tail section, as I recall) and that was without any of the stresses of flying at hundreds of miles an hour when the explosives went off.

A cruise ship is built to considerably different standards.  A pound of C4 or Semtex would do considerable damage, but unless put in the right place or unless it set off a big fire it wouldn't be likely to destroy the cruise ship the way it did that 747 that came down in Lockerbie .  It's several orders of magnitude more robust an engineering question based on what it is the craft is designed to do. 

You make airplanes out of as thin and light a material as you can (usually aluminum at the upper end of the stress for the material)  and cruise ships out of (relatively) thick steel with as little stress as you can get away with.  You're talking completely different economic and engineering design criteria.

And that makes for a huge difference, kinetic energy wise.

I'm not disagreeing with your post.  I'm trying to provide perspective to folks who picture a single pound of plastic explosives (of whatever type) taking a multi K Ton cruise ship and blowing it into itty bitty pieces in one shot.  We're not talking a small nuke or antimatter here.  It's a very powerful chemical explosive and, as I said, can "blow up" a diesel locomotive, which would ruin the whole day of a cruise liner.  But a diesel locomotive (let alone a 747) is to a cruise ship as a hand grenade is to a small nuke (yes, that's way too extreme, but you get where I'm going).

458 posted on 01/08/2007 2:00:08 PM PST by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: tomcorn

"You ate fried C-4 for breakfast?"

Fried Spam with eggs. We liked it better than SOS (chipped beef gravy and sliced, boiled eggs on toast).


459 posted on 01/08/2007 2:00:09 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Diddle E. Squat

I'm fouled up! I live one mile northeast of Nalco, about 3 blocks north of Sugar Mill elementary. If I lived Northwest of Nlaco, I'd be in jail or the middle of the Airport!

My kids went to Sugar Mill Elementary, Sugar Land Middle School and Kempner High School.

My wife tried to go home for lunch from Hwy 6 and 59 but couldn't get through.

They say all clear was given around 3.

Wonder what caused it in the first place?


460 posted on 01/08/2007 2:01:07 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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