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1 posted on 01/02/2007 8:26:22 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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It figures that this twit is from Massachusetts.


2 posted on 01/02/2007 8:28:29 AM PST by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I seem to be missing the words "organized militia" and "tended armory" in my copy of the Constitution.


3 posted on 01/02/2007 8:28:59 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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* sigh *

One more pinhead trying to beat the long-dead horse of the meaning of "militia" in the 2nd Amendment.

Good grief, man. Even liberal judges have long since conceded that the 2nd Amendment really does mean that ordinary citizens have the right to their guns.

Find a more closely contested issue upon which to pontificate.

4 posted on 01/02/2007 8:29:43 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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"My point is that single-shot weapons, with a long time to re-load, remove school and office massacres that can be caused by automatic weapons"

This guy hasn't spent much time in East LA, or Chicago's south side, or many other inner-city neighborhoods.

He's the kind of guy who would recommend taking a knife to a gunfight, I guess.

Non-criminals should all be dis-armed, in his estimation.

6 posted on 01/02/2007 8:30:43 AM PST by traditional1
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This guy is majoring in minors and minoring in majors.


7 posted on 01/02/2007 8:31:26 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth here Folks.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

This idiot (okay, to be fair, I'll call him misinformed) is confusing hunting wild game with the real purpose of the 2nd Amendment. Plus, he has the militia thing all wrong.

Hunting with AR-15s is exactly what the 2A is about, and the prey are not deer and elk, but tyrants.


10 posted on 01/02/2007 8:32:48 AM PST by Disambiguator
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What does hunting have to do with the "security of a free state"? On the other hand, what does the People's Republic of Massachusetts have to do with a "free state" either?
11 posted on 01/02/2007 8:33:33 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Baker's Iraq Surrender Group - warming up the last helicopter out of Baghdad.)
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"I believe we should remember that the arms of 1789 were smoothbore Kentucky rifles..."

The definition of "rifle" precludes it from being a smoothbore.

12 posted on 01/02/2007 8:33:40 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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So did Bernie write his letter with a 1789-style quill, on 1789-style parchment, and mail it to the paper via horseback??


14 posted on 01/02/2007 8:34:31 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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"I believe we should remember that the arms of 1789 were smoothbore Kentucky rifles and that discharge was accomplished by a flint-lock striking a steel, and sending a spark into some gunpowder that ignited the propellant and sent the bullet (or buckshot) on its wiggly way. This was a single shot device (or two shot, with two flint-locks and two barrels). Not even the "six-shooter" was invented at that time."

Of course they intentionally overlook the fact that "single shot device" was the same or better than the ones carried by the Regular Army. Why it should be any different today, especially considering the intent of the amendment, is far beyond me.
15 posted on 01/02/2007 8:35:06 AM PST by FreedomHammer
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Just another liberal twit alert!


16 posted on 01/02/2007 8:35:08 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Our troops are smart. It's our politicians who are stupid.)
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In this authors opinion AR-15's may not be good for hunting but they do a heck of a job on old computers and monitors.
17 posted on 01/02/2007 8:35:36 AM PST by Kimmers (It's not what you take when you leave this world behind, it's what you leave behind when you go)
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"AR-15 rifles are not needed to hunt deer"

No, but here in Florida, they work great on wild pigs. I've used an old SP1 with 55gr soft points on hogs around here for thirty years now with great results. Plus there's no bluing to go all rusty in the first hour afield.

AR-15s are also good for shooting lots of other things. What those things are, I leave up to the reader to surmise.

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18 posted on 01/02/2007 8:36:06 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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19 posted on 01/02/2007 8:36:17 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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Anyone needing an automatic shotgun to hunt pheasants, rabbits or partridge probably needs a prescription from a neurologist to reduce finger tremors or fight off tension.

"Automatic shotgun?" Does anyone know where I can purchase one?

20 posted on 01/02/2007 8:38:23 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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Fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity . - Sigmund Freud

Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." (A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands.) - Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one. - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist 1764.

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. - Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to his nephew

The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people;that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, ... or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press. - The Living Thoughts of Thomas Jefferson, pp.46 - 47, Presented by John Dewey

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Just one final statement. I've been sitting here getting more and more fed up with all of this talk about these, pieces of machinery, having no legitimate sporting purpose, no legitimate hunting purpose, people, that is not the point of the second amendment! The second amendment is not about duck hunting, and I know I'm not going to make very many friends saying this, but it's about our right, all of our right to be able to protect our selves from all of you guys up there. And nobody's talked about that. Senator Moynahan, I think this is today's paper, Monday, listen to this, a quote from Senator Moynahan, "I think that the United Nations has proven itself a failed instrument in Bosnia. It won't allow the Bosnians to defend themselves and it hasn't defended the Bosnians. I think that we should arm the Bosnians". End quote. I think that Schindlers list should be required viewing for everybody in this room. Thank you. - Dr. Suzanna Gratia, Killeen massacre survivor who watched as her parents were murdered because she obeyed Texas law and left her handgun locked in her car. Appearing before Rep Schumer's committee hearings on the assault weapons ban

Using cross-sectional time-series data for U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992, we find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravated assaults would have been avoided yearly. - Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns John R. Lott, Jr., School of Law Univ. of Chicago

"We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest ... So then we'll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time .... The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of guns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of *all* handguns and *all* handgun ammunition -- except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal." -- Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc. ( "The New Yorker", July 26, 1976 )


22 posted on 01/02/2007 8:38:37 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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Only Fools and Tyrants believe in gun control...


23 posted on 01/02/2007 8:39:05 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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I do not wish to change the constitutional amendment giving an organized militia the rights to bear arms, withdrawn from a carefully tended armory.

This idiot needs a reading comprehension course. The second amendment says nothing about a tended armory. Furthermore, it does not "give" any rights to an "organized militia", but rather asserts that the "right OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Note that the authors of the amendment were very specific in asserting this as a right of the people, not of a militia.

24 posted on 01/02/2007 8:39:31 AM PST by VRWCmember
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"I believe we should remember that the arms of 1789 were smoothbore Kentucky rifles and that discharge was accomplished by a flint-lock striking a steel, and sending a spark into some gunpowder that ignited the propellant and sent the bullet (or buckshot) on its wiggly way."

It wasn't a wiggly way and it wasn't a smoothbore. It was rifled. That's why it's called a rifle.

"Anyone needing an AR-15 or a Kalashnikov to hunt deer or elk probably needs a new pair of glasses first. Anyone needing an automatic shotgun to hunt pheasants, rabbits or partridge probably needs a prescription from a neurologist to reduce finger tremors or fight off tension."

MOLON LABE Bernie.

25 posted on 01/02/2007 8:39:31 AM PST by spunkets
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"Anyone needing an automatic shotgun to hunt pheasants"

There is no "automatic shotgun" available to hunters. Indeed, I know of none manufactured for any reason. An automatic shotgun would shoot multiple shells repeatedly with one pull of the trigger.

Semi-automatic shotguns, on the other hand, are the norm for duck and goose hunting. One pull of the trigger, one shell shot, with an automated reloading for the next trigger pull. For example, here's Jon Carry with one:

Perhaps the author should check in with their former Presidential Candidate on the nature and use of shotguns before commenting on them.

26 posted on 01/02/2007 8:39:59 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Heads up, people! The Nazis are back. They're more numerous and gearing up with atomic weapons.)
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