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Roberts blasts inadequate pay for judges
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | December 31, 2006 | PETE YOST

Posted on 01/01/2007 7:26:14 AM PST by indcons

Pay for federal judges is so inadequate that it threatens to undermine the judiciary's independence, Chief Justice John Roberts says in a year-end report critical of Congress.

Issuing an eight-page message devoted exclusively to salaries, Roberts says the 678 full-time U.S. District Court judges, the backbone of the federal judiciary, are paid about half that of deans and senior law professors at top schools.

In the 1950s, 65 percent of U.S. District Court judges came from the practicing bar and 35 percent came from the public sector. Today the situation is reversed, Roberts said, with 60 percent from the public sector and less than 40 percent from private practice.

Federal district court judges are paid $165,200 annually; appeals court judges make $175,100; associate justices of the Supreme Court earn $203,000; the chief justice gets $212,100.

Thirty-eight judges have left the federal bench in the past six years and 17 in the past two years.

The issue of pay, says Roberts, "has now reached the level of a constitutional crisis."

"Inadequate compensation directly threatens the viability of life tenure, and if tenure in office is made uncertain, the strength and independence judges need to uphold the rule of law - even when it is unpopular to do so - will be seriously eroded," Roberts wrote.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; govwatch; johnroberts; judgespay; judiciary; scotus; supremecourt
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To: Young Scholar
I'll remain conservative regardless... I doubt even the best legal minds at Harvard could change that if they tried.

Well, if you can resist the siren song of the judicial supremacists, you'll be a rare bird indeed.

221 posted on 01/01/2007 9:54:56 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Given the elitism evident on this thread

We're talking about the Federal judiciary and comments by the Chief Justice. If you think that such positions are not "elite" then you must also think a plumber could do brain surgery.

Judges must be lawyers, who have postgraduate training and are by definition elite. So were the Founding Fathers. The idea that just anybody can interpret Constitutional Law at the highest level is laughable. There is work in this world that does require advanced education. Sorry if that plain fact upsets your applecart.

222 posted on 01/01/2007 9:55:25 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: Young Scholar
I disagree. The whole point is to get rid of ambiguous precedent. Stare decisis, as we all know, is a Latin phrase meaning "perpetuating stupidity."

It seems the biggest problem is when people aren't bound by precedent. When do you overturn precedent? Plessy? Brown? Kelo?

It seems that many judges are not bound by precedent and many others simply pick the precedent that benefits them.

But please tell me what great intellectual powers it takes to memorize a bunch of court cases.

223 posted on 01/01/2007 9:55:44 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: EternalVigilance
"Given the elitism evident on this thread, it's probable that the political class will likely keep handing the "all-powerful" judiciary the tiny bit of control over our futures they haven't already accrued to themselves."

Well said, but ......(here comes the butt), it takes funds to educate the kind of Judges we want and that ain't cheap. It's not like he is going to live high on the hog after he pays his two children's college tuition.

I'm saying the guy deserves 3% for their expenses so they can have the kind of schooling that the nation required of him. We owe him that much.

Now if we want to stop having an Ivy league education be a requirement.....

OK, don't get me stared on that.

224 posted on 01/01/2007 9:56:19 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: EternalVigilance
It is with the dangerous idea that they are supreme.

Then amend the Constitution, which called for a supreme court.

225 posted on 01/01/2007 9:56:31 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: DManA

These people are out of touch with reality."

Not their reality.

Their reality is they're better than the masses and deserve more.


226 posted on 01/01/2007 9:56:47 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: You Dirty Rats

I'm sorry, but whining about poverty when you make well into six figures smacks of elitism.


227 posted on 01/01/2007 9:56:47 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Judges must be lawyers, who have postgraduate training and are by definition elite.

Pah-lease. By that standards, anybody with a Master's degree in mathematics should be a demigod.

228 posted on 01/01/2007 9:56:55 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: L98Fiero
There is no "market" for jobs that only exist in the government sector.

Nonsense. First of all, the job does not exist only in the government sector (the dictionary is our friend). Second of all, those jobs which do exist only in one narrow sector of the economy are still subject to market competition with other jobs that require similar skills (and thus compete for the same people).

229 posted on 01/01/2007 9:57:15 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: L98Fiero
If one cannot afford a 2 bedroom apartment on 200K a year, perhaps socialism IS the answer because the free market has failed.

Reality must SUCK for you huh????

I'm guessing you haven't lived in the DC area either.....
230 posted on 01/01/2007 9:58:15 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Go Bucks!!!!)
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To: indcons
"Issuing an eight-page message devoted exclusively to salaries, Roberts says the 678 full-time U.S. District Court judges, the backbone of the federal judiciary, are paid about half that of deans and senior law professors at top schools."

Well, then perhaps the salaries of deans and law professors at top schools, should be sliced in half.

$165,000 per year is a lot of money for a single salary. Most Americans can only dream of earning that much. I understand Justice Roberts point that current salaries are not attracting the best for the judiciary, but he will receive little understanding and sympathy from most Americans.

231 posted on 01/01/2007 9:58:18 AM PST by TAdams8591 ((Mary concieved without sin, pray for us!))
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To: TWohlford
Highly paid public servants are equally bribable.

Now, concerning the high cost of living in San Francisco, move the 9th to rural Utah.

Go back and see what Roberts is comparing the salaries to ~ working attorneys ~ certainly the judiciary can reign in the lawyers by refusing the more highly paid of them entry into their courts.

232 posted on 01/01/2007 9:58:23 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: L98Fiero

The problem with free market is only everyone who embraces it wants to own it.


233 posted on 01/01/2007 9:58:23 AM PST by new2NV
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To: indcons

"Inadequate compensation directly threatens the viability of life tenure, and if tenure in office is made uncertain, the strength and independence judges need to uphold the rule of law - even when it is unpopular to do so - will be seriously eroded," Roberts wrote."

Sounds like blackmail to me.


234 posted on 01/01/2007 9:58:37 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Then amend the Constitution, which called for a supreme court.

Sheesh. The word "supreme" means "the top court." Not supreme over the other two CO-EQUAL branches of government. Your formulation is dishonest and grossly inaccurate.

235 posted on 01/01/2007 9:58:48 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: muawiyah

It's so simple: Tax the lawyers to pay for judges' salaries.


236 posted on 01/01/2007 9:59:22 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: L98Fiero
The president doesn't select judges based on what salaries they will accept.

In L98Fieroworld:

President: I want you to be a judge.
Nominee: Sorry, I make three times as much in private practice.
President: Tough; you're drafted.

In the real world:

President: I want you to be a judge.
Nominee: Sorry, I make three times as much in private practice.
President: Crap! OK, who's number thirty-seven on my list...?

237 posted on 01/01/2007 9:59:26 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

In many major metro areas, you'd be hard-pressed to make the payments on an 80% mortgage on a modest 3 bedroom house in a safe neighborhood with $60,000/year.

If the mother isn't willing to homeschool, she could easily make another 100k in such a place.


238 posted on 01/01/2007 9:59:31 AM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: Mojave
"Give 'em an extra hundred grand a year if they agree to at will employment."

LOL, good one and heartily agreed, from a former "at will" employee of the judiciary!

239 posted on 01/01/2007 10:00:19 AM PST by TAdams8591 ((Mary concieved without sin, pray for us!))
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To: Non-Sequitur
Antonin Scalia, corporate attorney is a nobody. Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice, is quite a different matter. Sitting on the bench allows them to have an impact far in excess of anything a private citizen can have. It's the same with the Senate or Congress. How do you place a price on ego?

Works perfectly, if you want a bench full of egomaniacs. I, for one, don't.

240 posted on 01/01/2007 10:00:32 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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