The Balkan Islamic Jihad: A Pan-European calamity

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/michaletos/007.shtml ^

[kronos77]

After the 9/11, a worldwide “War on terror” begun in order to disband and neutralize Islamic terrorist networks across the globe. The main focus of the largest anti-terrorist campaign in history is focused in the Middle East area, as well as in Afghanistan. The Balkan Peninsula is the European area where this campaign has also taken place, with numerous arrests and a continuous effort into riding the fundamentalist out of the area. The question arising though, is how did the extremists gain a foothold in South Eastern Europe in the first place, and what was the reaction of the international community over the previous years.

So, the outbreak of the civil war in Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1992 presented an unparalleled opportunity for the international Mujaheedin to storm Europe, establish safe havens in the area and thus initiate re-conquest of regions they previously ruled. The leader of Bosnia, Alia Izebegovic was eager to obtain as much assistance as possible and didn’t hesitate in providing the necessary framework by which the Islamic ties were forged. In the same year, a variety of Islamic mercenaries flocked into the Balkans in order to support the “Holy cause”, meaning the establishment of the first Islamic state in Europe. The end of the war in 1995 saw quite a few of those mujahedin, acquiring Bosnian citizenship and establishing the first Islamic community in the village of Bocinja Donja.

"Ethnic Bosnian Muslim commander talks about Jihadist determination to kill "enemies of Allah" just before the attack on Pocjelovo. "It is a Jihad... and with even greater spark to kill Allah's enemies because today they are strong and pronounced as they have never been before"

video: http://www.serbianna.com/columns/michaletos/007_files/pocjelovo.rm

[Hoplite]

So you're confused.

Find someone who cares.

[SauronOfMordor]

I see. Anybody who disagrees with you, or brings up data that contradicts your position, is "confused" and/or "ignorant"

It's convenient to not have to debate on facts

[Hoplite]

What data?

What facts?

Be specific.

[eleni121]

There are some around here who wouldn't accept the awful truth about the mutant islamics if it hit them in the face. I wouldn't bother with 'em.

They are dhimmified through and through.

[lqclamar]

The interesting thing about the Balkans in WWII is how strongly the muslims sided with the Nazis.

The Serbs fought mostly for the Chetniks and Yugoslav Partisans - the two main resistance factions. The only notable Serbian faction to support the nazis was the puppet Milan Nedic regime, centered in Kosovo.

The Croats split their loyalties into multiple factions. The Ustashe sided with the Nazis, but the Croats also fielded units with the resistance such as the Sisak Partisans.

Yet when you look to the muslims the only organized units of any size that they fielded were all Nazi SS. Of the three major groups in the Balkans, muslims were indisputably the most pro-nazi. In fact they sided with the nazis by MUTUAL agreement between their religious leaders and Himmler. They did so by mutual political beliefs, and unlike the handful of French African colonials who were conscripted by force into service, the Balkan muslims were volunteers.

[lqclamar]

Another thing that's telling is that Hitler himself detested Christianity and did not raise explicitly "all-Christian" SS units. He raised explicitly all-Muslim units though, provided them with food prepared to muslim specifications, provided them with imams, and allowed them to put islamic religious symbols such as the crescent on their insignia.

[lqclamar]

Here's an interesting article on all the muslims that fought for the nazis.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16533

In addition to the three Balkan SS divisions, Hitler had muslim units from Chechnya, a bunch of the the muslim 'stan countries in the Caucases, and muslim colonial troops from Africa. The ubiquitous and influential Grand Mufti al-Husseini had his dirty fingers on virtually all of them.

[Hoplite]

Of the three major groups in the Balkans, muslims were indisputably the most pro-nazi.

No dice - the Croats were the most enthusiastic collaborators, and the Catholic church in Croatia was in the bloodshed up to their elbows, to the everlasting discredit of themselves and the Vatican, who knew, yet did nothing.

Get yourself some history books and read up on the subject.

Further, attempting to separate the Nazis from their warped version of Christianity, when the Heer were running around with "Gott Mit Uns" beltbuckles, the SS ended their oaths to Adolph Hitler with "So help me God", and the entire foundation of Nazi antisemitism was rooted in existing Christian prejudice against Jewry is simply amateur hour historical revisionism.

[lqclamar]

No dice - the Croats were the most enthusiastic collaborators

Not in terms of unanimity of opinion. The Croats divided in WWII. Some formed the pro-Nazi Utashe regime, others formed Croat units in the Yugoslav Partisans. In fact, most SS volunteers from the Balkans were Muslim. The all-muslim 13th Handschar was almost 10 times the size of the Part Croat/part Muslim 23rd Kama.

Further, attempting to separate the Nazis from their warped version of Christianity

The Nazi leadership had no vision of Christianity. Hitler, Himmler and the rest explicitly disavowed it on a regular basis in their writings and speeches. Hitler and Himmler always praised Islam by comparison. The specific denunciations of Christianity by the Nazi leadership are stronger historical evidence than some vague propaganda reference to "Gott" on a belt buckle.

[zimdog]

You would have to show an insignia with Muslim religious symbols.

[zimdog]

Hitler, Himmler and the rest explicitly disavowed it on a regular basis in their writings and speeches. Hitler and Himmler always praised Islam by comparison. The specific denunciations of Christianity by the Nazi leadership are stronger historical evidence than some vague propaganda reference to "Gott" on a belt buckle.

Submitted without comment:

"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people."

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich

[bray]

The KLA was the drug running arm of Al Queda. So we effectively financed the bombing of the towers.

Pray for W and Our Troops

[Hoplite]

Not in terms of unanimity of opinion.

Care to explain how you're leaving Albania's Muslims out of your calculation? They had a parallel partisan war (alongside Albania's Catholic minority) going on with Tito's, and managed to be the only country in occupied Europe with more Jews at the war's end than at the start.

Meanwhile, the NDH was an Axis co-belligerent, capable of fielding their own military units for both use in the local ethnic war and for use in the larger war, in Russia, to be specific, and therefore didn't need the SS to come in and attempt to set up military units for them.

Here's a good resource on the subject, and you could do with reading up on the 13th SS, in regards both to its effectiveness and constitution.

Hitler, Himmler and the rest explicitly disavowed it on a regular basis in their writings and speeches.

Review at your leisure. It's a hodgepodge, sure, but there's enough in there to demolish any contention that Hitler didn't see himself as a Christian, or wasn't acting under the impression that destroying the Jews was God's work.

[Hoplite]

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Oh you're no fun.

= )

[zimdog]

I try not to be.

[zimdog]

In addition to the three Balkan SS divisions, Hitler had muslim units from Chechnya, a bunch of the the muslim 'stan countries in the Caucases, and muslim colonial troops from Africa.

You would have to prove that.

[zimdog]

In addition to the three Balkan SS divisions, Hitler had muslim units from Chechnya, a bunch of the the muslim 'stan countries in the Caucases, and muslim colonial troops from Africa.

You would have to prove that.

Especially since the Caucases and "the muslim 'stan" countries were, with the exception of Afghanistan, all part of the Soviet Union.

[tgambill]

They have plenty who care and certainly lurking around with your misinformation detecto-scanner...you pop up from the hole like a ground hog.....

Besides the Albanians from Kosovo (not Albania by the way) joined the Nazi party in full force murdering along the way......while the Serbs protected American servicemen....etc....who are a few other Nazi collaborators....besides yes......Henry Ford, big time traitor....

1924 - I.G. Farben came to being with business with different cartels, 800 million consolidated funds, basically a J.P. Morgan production.

1928 - What benefits did I.G. Farben have to give the Nazi Party? Just to name a few, besides a laundry list of other war supplies, Zyklon B, the gas used by Auschwitz, Bitterfeld, Agfa, lduwigshafen, Buchenwald, Hoechst and a few others. These boys also produced Chlorine gas used during WWI. Remember Henry Ford. I found out that he merged his German assets with those of Farben. Quote: “Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and WWII.” (Historian Anthony Sutton; “Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler”, 76 Press, Seal Beach, Ca. 1976; page 33).

NOTE: So, in short, the major source of Hitler’s financial power came from the chemical Cartel called I.G. Farben. The most interesting part of this little bit of trivia is that I.G. Farben had a little known source of its financial power: our very own, Wall Street.

[tgambill]

In addition to the three Balkan SS divisions, Hitler had muslim units from Chechnya, a bunch of the the muslim 'stan countries in the Caucases, and muslim colonial troops from Africa.

"You would have to prove that."

***** It's just amazing how screwed up and inaccurate our history books are. The sad thing is, they aren't mistakes. The inaccurate "facts of history" are not inaccurate due to mistakes. The inaccuracies are deliberate and the information left out was and is left out intentionally.

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http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/arabnazi.html

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/072.shtml

"During World War II, up to 120,000 Balkan Muslims from Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Sandzak were in German military and security formations. Up to 1.5 million Muslims in the USSR were in the Nazi German forces from Chechnya, Crimea, Dagestan, Ingushetia, and the Caucasus. The motto of the newspaper Gazavat (“Jihad”), a political organ of the North-Caucasus National Liberation Movement set up by Nazis in the USSR, was: “Allah above us, And Adolf Hitler beside us.” In the North Caucasus region of the southern USSR, up to 75,000 Muslims were put in the German forces. Chechen Muslims from Chechnya volunteered for the North Caucasus Legion or Nordkaukasische Legion formed in 1942 which existed until 1943. It also was made up of Muslim Dagestanis and Muslim Ingushetians. Nazi Germany was successfully able to recruit and mobilize Balkan and Caucasus Muslims into the German Wehrmacht and Waffen SS formations."

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http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/nazi_arab.htm

One of the Iraqi coup plotters was Gen. Tufah Khariallah, uncle, guardian, mentor and future father-in-law of Saddam Hussein. The mufti was also a mentor to Yasser Arafat, who is believed to be Husseini's nephew.

Overlooked in the history books is the fact that about 100,000 European Muslims fought on the Nazi side in World War II. They included two Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS Divisions, an Albanian Waffen SS Division in Kosovo and Western Macedonia, the Waffengruppe der-SS Krim, formations consisting of Chechen Muslims from Chechnya, and other Muslim formations in Bosnia-Hercegovina.

Bosnian Muslims, who were in the Croatian pro-Nazi Ustasha, were especially brutal toward the Christian Serbs. In 1943, a report on Ustasha activities stated:

The Ustasha terror began in Mostar. The Ustashi, the majority of them local Mohammedans, are arresting, looking, and shipping off Serbs or killing them and throwing the bodies in the Neretva River. They are throwing Serbs alive into chasms and are burning whole families in their homes. Outside of Zagreb the strongest Ustasha hotbed is Sarajevo. The Muslims committed unbelievable barbarities for they murdered women and children even with scissors.

After reading this book you will have no trouble understanding the origin of Islamo-fascism and Jihad terrorism. The author has packed the book with detailed documentation as well as photographs showing Husseini inspecting his Nazi-Muslim troops. Morse shows how Husseini's legacy of hate and murder, and his aim to destroy Israel, have been carried forth by Arafat and his murderous Palestinian terrorists right to the present. The book is available through Amazon.com.

[zimdog]

Your first quote cites absolutely no evidence, which would cause any reasonable person to doubt the wild numbers and bizarre and historically untenable claims that 1.5 million Muslims from the Caucasus region of the USSR fought in the German army in WW2. Since this was approximately half the Muslim population of the regions you mentioned, you are actually claiming that every male, aged 1 month to 111 years, was actively fighting for the Nazis.

Preposterous.

Also you are supporting the Stalinist lie that it was necessary to "remove" the Chechen population from Chechnya because of the possibility that the Chechen revolt against Soviet (Communist) rule might ally with the German forces invading Russia.

So to answer your question in advance, no, I don't trust Stalinist propaganda when repeated by the royalist serbianna.com, nor when repeated by the anti-Muslim worldnetdaily.com.

Thanks for making an effort, though.