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To: lqclamar
Not in terms of unanimity of opinion.

Care to explain how you're leaving Albania's Muslims out of your calculation? They had a parallel partisan war (alongside Albania's Catholic minority) going on with Tito's, and managed to be the only country in occupied Europe with more Jews at the war's end than at the start.

Meanwhile, the NDH was an Axis co-belligerent, capable of fielding their own military units for both use in the local ethnic war and for use in the larger war, in Russia, to be specific, and therefore didn't need the SS to come in and attempt to set up military units for them.

Here's a good resource on the subject, and you could do with reading up on the 13th SS, in regards both to its effectiveness and constitution.

Hitler, Himmler and the rest explicitly disavowed it on a regular basis in their writings and speeches.

Review at your leisure. It's a hodgepodge, sure, but there's enough in there to demolish any contention that Hitler didn't see himself as a Christian, or wasn't acting under the impression that destroying the Jews was God's work.

133 posted on 02/18/2007 7:20:44 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Care to explain how you're leaving Albania's Muslims out of your calculation?

First, thousands of ethnic Albanian muslims fought along side the muslim Kosovars in Hitler's 21st SS Skanderbeg. So they're certainly part of the calculation.

Second, It is indeed true that Albania itself had a net gain in Jewish population, as well as its own resistance movements. These movements were distinct from the rest of the Balkans though because Albania was invaded by Italy. Hitler did not bother with it until the last year of the war after Mussolini's regime had crumbled.

Review at your leisure. It's a hodgepodge, sure, but there's enough in there to demolish any contention that Hitler didn't see himself as a Christian, or wasn't acting under the impression that destroying the Jews was God's work.

Sorry, but I don't consider Wikipedia a reliable source. Nor am I particularly convinced by a list of quotations that come almost entirely from prior to 1934. Meanwhile there are dozens of documented quotations by Hitler - particularly from the Reich years - where he denounces Christianity in the strongest terms possible. See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327591/posts

179 posted on 02/19/2007 9:21:11 AM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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To: Hoplite
Here's one of Hitler's most extensive private statements on Christianity (dated 1941):

"I don't interfere in matters of belief. Therefore I can't allow churchmen to interfere with temporal affairs. The organised lie must be smashed. The State must remain the absolute master.

When I was younger, I thought it was necessary to set about matters with dynamite. I've since realised that there' S room for a little subtlety. The rotten branch falls of itself. The final state must be: in St. Peter's Chair, a senile officiant; facing him, a few sinister old women, as gaga and as poor in spirit as anyone could wish. The young and healthy are on our side. Against a Church that identifies itself with the State, as in England, I have nothing to say. But, even so, it's impossible eternally to hold humanity in bondage with lies. After all, it was only between the sixth and eighth centuries that Christianity was imposed on our peoples by princes who had an alliance of interests with the shavelings. Our peoples had previously succeeded in living all right without this religion. I have six divisions of SS composed of men absolutely indifferent in matters of religion. It doesn't prevent them from going to their deaths with serenity in their souls.

Christ was an Aryan, and St. Paul used his doctrine to mobilise the criminal underworld and thus organise a protoBolshevism. This intrusion upon the world marks the end of a long reign, that of the clear Greco-Latin genius.

What is this God who takes pleasure only in seeing men grovel before Him? Try to picture to yourselves the meaning of the following, quite simple story. God creates the conditions for sin. Later on He succeeds, with the help of the Devil, in causing man to sin. Then He employs a virgin to bring into the world a son who, by His death, will redeem humanity!

I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mahomet, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding-bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A negro with his tabus is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in Transubstantiation."

180 posted on 02/19/2007 9:30:17 AM PST by lqclamar ("That's it, Seth, you can't blame them. It's want of education. That's all it is.")
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